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Our MLB 3rd baseman goes on the DL....we're in last 60 games out of 1st.. ..and we cant bring up a No.1 draft choice who has been in the minors 4 years...playing third base? ...Vitters is hitting around .265 with nine homers in 1/2 a season at AAA He was drafted 5 years ago.....the 'he's not ready' excuse does not qualify...as an answer Vitters cant come up for two weeks to play 3rd base so we can see if he's ready to be a major leaguer?? ...we bring up a journeyman second baseman? Not much doubt that the new management doss not consider Vitters a prospect of any kind, ever. Right?

It's not mine. Listen to jersey and bring up somebody with a chance. Please. :beg:

There is literally nothing remotely stupid about it. It is a completely justifiable decision to make. Its 100% stupid....Its stupidville LaHair has improved greatly the last 2 years and he played against lefties... He played against everybody He's a player..let him play. But if you just want up-and-coming superstar Jeff Baker at 1st....That's another issue

What Sucks..Tea Man. is being in last place unable to hit and sitting there doing nothing... ..when we have talent at AAA we could call up. But hey, what's the hurry? Lets wit till next year to break in the new players

We're gong to have to eat the contract...and the sooner the better so others can come up and start our rebuild. The biggest mistake our new masterminds are making is hanging onto Sori trying 'to get something for him' Its retarding the progress of Brett Jackson, who needs to get on-the-job training at the MLB level. The money is gone...we cant get it back. Release Sori. Should have been done last winter. I'm one of the biggest B Jackson fans around and even I'm scared of what that 31% K rate will do in the majors. He doesn't NEED OJT in the majors, he needs to improve his contact skills in AAA. Like Castro and Campana and Cardenas... what's the difference? /.we're dead last ? On the job training for all.....cant be scared of them failing....we need to know what we have Seriously...why is he different from our other rookies..>? he literally just told you. brett jackson is striking out like adam dunn at iowa. calling him up right now would be idiotic. Not even close..check the numbers. Does he strike out as much as Sori...? Plus...he's a 'plus' defender...You've seen him play. What are we waiting for with Jackson? We're deader than Elvis and we're afraid to call up prospects... If you're okay with Sori's 'D' vs. his 'O'// //I wouldnt want to change your mind.....

Thanks Dude....I appreciate the help... :good: 100 AAA games....almost 3 1/2 years in pro ball? Its time to see if the boy can play MLB... ..and the money we owe Sori is lost...We cant get it back. Have a 'Sori appreciation day' and then release him. Let him misjudge one more ceremonial flyball like Kerry Wood got one more strikeout... We have to pay him either way. So we can release him or we can continue to watch him miss balls in left field. Its our choice..

and DUDE...sacrifice bunts have also ended more innings of any kind than anything else. Are you Dusty Baker ? :-$

they're not babies.....MSG...he's played a lot of minor league games... how many at bats does Jackson have the last 2 years at AAA. Not everybody fails when they come up..and if he does..send him back It didnt screw up Rizzo by SD giving him a chance last year, did it?? Jackson's done time in the minors....and while we have a 'lost year' lets use it to develop Let's not manufacture a reason to wait yet another year to start the rebuilding

and LaHair would be doing all that in left field with Rizzo at 1st with his numbers if we'd have released Sori last winter like we'll ceratinly have to do eventually anyway. That's what I mean by 'choosing to be punchless' Its a choice we made.. understand 83...? :roll:

We're gong to have to eat the contract...and the sooner the better so others can come up and start our rebuild. The biggest mistake our new masterminds are making is hanging onto Sori trying 'to get something for him' Its retarding the progress of Brett Jackson, who needs to get on-the-job training at the MLB level. The money is gone...we cant get it back. Release Sori. Should have been done last winter. I'm one of the biggest B Jackson fans around and even I'm scared of what that 31% K rate will do in the majors. He doesn't NEED OJT in the majors, he needs to improve his contact skills in AAA. Like Castro and Campana and Cardenas... what's the difference? /.we're dead last ? On the job training for all.....cant be scared of them failing....we need to know what we have Seriously...why is he different from our other rookies..>? Castro has never had contact problem. Taking a walk is a different issue. His K rate in AA was roughly 9.5%. It's been mid teen's since his callup. Jackson would be in serious trouble if it jumped to 35+% in the majors. He needs to get it under control first, before he's called up. Your arguement is that he's not 100% ready and mine is that few players ever are. We have need... I dont think Barney was hitting up a storm when we called him up. We have the worst defensive left fielder in MLB...Its not all his fault. he's hurt. But he's bad. How much lower would we be in the standings right now if Brett Jackson was playing center, Tony Campana or Bryan LaHair was in left and Sori had been released...last winter?

We're gong to have to eat the contract...and the sooner the better so others can come up and start our rebuild. The biggest mistake our new masterminds are making is hanging onto Sori trying 'to get something for him' Its retarding the progress of Brett Jackson, who needs to get on-the-job training at the MLB level. The money is gone...we cant get it back. Release Sori. Should have been done last winter. I'm one of the biggest B Jackson fans around and even I'm scared of what that 31% K rate will do in the majors. He doesn't NEED OJT in the majors, he needs to improve his contact skills in AAA. Like Castro and Campana and Cardenas... what's the difference? /.we're dead last ? On the job training for all.....cant be scared of them failing....we need to know what we have Seriously...why is he different from our other rookies..>?

Apparently you don't realize that Stewart is just unlucky. :yahoo: Stewart was unlucky until Theo called :roll:

Sounds like a fine upstanding Bud man and Cub fan.... ;) ..but no...

Vitters should have been given a shot.....a chance... Your arguement is that you like .197 at third base. Okay. I dont want to to try to change your mind on that... :good:

Who on earth said GIVE him a job. :-s I said give him a shot ..Ramirez went north....Vitters was the AAA 3rd baseman... ..would have been much cheaper.. Better than seein' Ian play

Bruce is down at the club. and you're not confused...you're davell. :hello:

Fun is why we're here...slider :yahoo:

I dont think the reasons are all valid ....(the phrase was 'however valid') Jackson should have been here out of spring training or when Byrd was traded. He earned a shot. Vitters should now be given the same chance that Stewart got.. (They should have given him that shot in April) I understand the 'service time' issue with Rizzo but that's not valid after this month. You have to try to put a competitive product on the field....the major league field We can all agree we arent doing that right now//

So you admit that the reasons for keeping Rizzo and Jackson in Iowa are valid, but you want to bring them up anyway? Why? You think doing that can help us win the division?

We're gong to have to eat the contract...and the sooner the better so others can come up and start our rebuild. The biggest mistake our new masterminds are making is hanging onto Sori trying 'to get something for him' Its retarding the progress of Brett Jackson, who needs to get on-the-job training at the MLB level. The money is gone...we cant get it back. Release Sori. Should have been done last winter.

Lets set it out... We play .198 Ian Stewart......Josh Vitters is hitting better than that at AAA..(and Junior Lake at AA) ...We play Bryan LaHair at 1st sometimes....(although we bench him against lefties for up-and-coming superstar Jeff Baker) even though Anthony Rizzo is doing significantly better than that in the minors... We play Tony C and David D (combined 2 homers) when Brett Jackson playing center and right has 20-30 extra base hits at AAA Iowa... However valid the reasons are for keeping them (Rizzo and Jackson espcially) at Iowa.. nobody's forcing us to do that....while we score 2 1/2 runs a game at the MLB level We arent talentless...we arent helpless....we just CHOOSE, right now, to be punchless. :( Right?

Do the stats back that? I know there is a pretty small sample size. I hear people say that he is a great fielder all the time, but is that just because he is fast and hustles? Or is he really a good fielder? I know what you're saying. I mean that in the sense that he's gritty and gives it his all ala Reed Johnson, Sam Fuld , and various other small white guys that managers and casual fans love. Setting his race and your prejudice of Cub fans aside...(we liked that slap hitting white boy Juan Pierre, too :D ) ...the questions still stand... ...and an additional thought.. Is it 'message board logic' to bad mouth guys like Aramis Ramirez for NOT hustling and ridicule admiration for the Tony Campanas FOR hustling..? :roll: If you look down a few posts, I also brought up white boys Willie Wilson, Rajai Davis, and Joey Gathright as potential comps. As for "hustling", the Aramis Ramirezes of the world don't have to go overboard on it because they bring value to their team without crashing into walls and bending their hat brims, or bending their body in half ala Rick Ankiel (that one still makes me cringe). Natural talent>>>>>>>>>grittyness/playing the game right/giving it your all. This isn't to say that they should stand their and watch their deep fly ball only to end up being thrown out at 2nd, but it's in neither their own nor the teams best interest for them to crash into things and potentially get injured. That's a good point...and Tony still acts like a rookie..'overhustling' if that's a word I just thought he guy Campana most resembles in the major leagues is Juan Pierre. That's what he's shooting for and Pierre did contribute significantly to winning teams. ..and while I wouldnt deny that casual (read: female) Cub fans do like the 'little white guys' We just went through a few years when we (I know I did) disliked more talented players than Campana who didnt hustle. I think we see the faults of players when they're here and their value when their gone. I dont want Ramirez back. Id rather have the out of control hustler than the talented underachieveing slow-rider, wouldnt you? Still, returning to the questions, I admit I dont know what to do with Campana. I agree exactly..his OBP is the problem and its a thought process of how to reach base that maybe he needs to work that out in the minor leagues except that he DID work it out there. Its here that's the problem. At least right now. I would suggest that even Dale S. isnt sure how to use him. Which was why I put it out here for comedians and analysts alike. :blush:

Do the stats back that? I know there is a pretty small sample size. I hear people say that he is a great fielder all the time, but is that just because he is fast and hustles? Or is he really a good fielder? I know what you're saying. I mean that in the sense that he's gritty and gives it his all ala Reed Johnson, Sam Fuld , and various other small white guys that managers and casual fans love. Setting his race and your prejudice of Cub fans aside...(we liked that slap hitting white boy Juan Pierre, too :D ) ...the questions still stand... ...and an additional thought.. Is it 'message board logic' to bad mouth guys like Aramis Ramirez for NOT hustling and ridicule admiration for the Tony Campanas FOR hustling..? :roll:

But the questions still stand.. By the way...Didnt you used to play strong safety for the Colts, Bob?

Do the stats back that? I know there is a pretty small sample size. I hear people say that he is a great fielder all the time, but is that just because he is fast and hustles? Or is he really a good fielder? There are no fielding stats (not even the newer ones) that are accurate...for outfielders... You cant judge him much fastre he is than Sori..How many more balls he'd get to. Sometimes just getting to the ball stops the runner. You can only use the 'eye-test on that.. He has speed that takes away hits..obviously and his arm is average. But you are right, in my mind. his sample size is VERY small. He's been used as a bit player until now and he hasnt played as much as we think he has... Dale has been patient with him the last week..as Dale has been with Ian Stewart..who has much more of a track record .. For the record..I'd play him against right handers and use him as the 'bench weapon' when lefties start. If Sori is moved this year..LaHair will go to left and Tony would be the late inning 'caddy'