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Great. Sounds like we'd be the Angels, just not quite as good. If we use this logic then without Harper they're what, the Orioles? No, I'd hope we would have used it to sign our own core guys like Bryant. And if guys like him have flamed out, I guess worst case scenario we have to use the money on the top free agents three years from now. Look, I want Bryce Harper. I'd love Bryce Harper. Is PTR willing to do it?
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Great. Sounds like we'd be the Angels, just not quite as good. what the hell are you talking about? jesus Meaning, we'd be starting from scratch with Bryce Harper. And that's like the Angels with Mike Trout and nothing else. You douche.
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Not the 2027 Cubs even. Try the Cubs in three years when they hope to sign Bryant and maybe Baez and others and they have $80 million wrapped up in three players already. Sure, I suppose they can worry about that then. 3 years from now you're talking about essentially a different franchise. Bryant, Baez, Rizzo, Lester, Zobrist, Hendricks, Schwarber, Montgomery, Quintana, the whole bullpen sans Edwards, all at free agency. If anything Harper extends your window of competitiveness by having a star caliber player to build around instead of completely starting from scratch and spending your money on worse players than Harper anyway. Great. Sounds like we'd be the Angels, just not quite as good.
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"somebody" And that difference is more or less inconsequential unless you think Harper is bad(no) or that MLB and the Cubs in particular are going to see a huge reversal in their revenue. The avenues to effectively use money to improve your team are getting narrower every year, the idea that the 2027 Cubs might be disadvantaged by having Bryce Harper take up a smaller percentage of the payroll than he does today is not a compelling argument. Not the 2027 Cubs even. Try the Cubs in three years when they hope to sign Bryant and maybe Baez and others and they have $80 million wrapped up in three players already. Sure, I suppose they can worry about that then. I've said this before and I'll say it again: If the Cubs want to be like the Yankees and have an enormous payroll and not care what they spend, go bonkers. I'd love it. But until they show that, you have to pick and choose. I'd have waited to sign Harper and not gone after Yu Darvish last season, knowing that they aren't going to be willing to sign everybody.
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Again, the Cubs aren't poor. But there is a huge difference between making two moves to essentially pay Cole Hamels $13 million for one year and signing somebody for $400 million plus over 14.
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Damn, they should have hired Derek Johnson then.
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It’s all half assed, half measures if we only re-tool to the level of just adding like McCutchen or a similar level player or 2. Like swapping in McCutchen for Happ or Schwarber doesn’t even probably add a win to projections. I would be happy with just adding 2016 Dexter Fowler.
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I realize we have a lot of young hitters, and that some might take a step forward this season after maybe taking a step back recently. But, man, those last two months scare the hell out of me. For that, I really hope we retool at least a bit.
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At least he got us that title before it happened.
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I sense people around here are starting to realize maybe all these reports are true. Who still has us getting Bryce?
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Am I understanding this right that you are hopeful we could just trade them Chatwood, Darvish or perhaps Heyward to them for nothing? Despite the reasons you gave why they would, why in the world they take on any of those contracts for those players? Because cubs eat half of contract, Astros dip the guys throwing hand in their patented molasses and horse bone mixture and Boom! Cheap cy young. Oh, I thought he was talking about eating the whole contract.
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Am I understanding this right that you are hopeful we could just trade them Chatwood, Darvish or perhaps Heyward to them for nothing? Despite the reasons you gave why they would, why in the world they take on any of those contracts for those players?
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I've been thinking, I feel like Theo is harder on the team than some posters here. Like, while some were trying to calm the fears of our offense being junk, I feel like he thinks it was total junk and horsefeathers needs to happen. I like that.
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Hell, even if they don't sign Harper, I'd love for them to figure out ways to get Chatwood, Duensing and Kintzler off the team.
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I also suppose that after another year of evaluation, maybe they just don't think Harper is worth that type of investment. Did the dude even break 2 WAR in 2018? I happen to think he is worth it, but the Cubs don't care what we think.
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I'm starting to wonder if people aren't buying it because they don't want to buy it. Sort of like Trump supporters getting facts thrown at them and just choosing not to believe them. Also, I'm not comparing these Cubs fans to Trump supporters on any other level. Yeah it's totally the same. Dave Kaplan and David Fahrenthold are basically interchangeable. Ah yes, but where does Sharma rank on this list, considering that's who you quoted as the one who wrote the limit is $246 million? Although, at least we have Charles the horsefeathering Cat to make us feel better.
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I'm starting to wonder if people aren't buying it because they don't want to buy it. Sort of like Trump supporters getting facts thrown at them and just choosing not to believe them. Also, I'm not comparing these Cubs fans to Trump supporters on any other level.
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Just curious, what does the next class look like?
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If they're deciding to gamble on the bats they have all clicking again and realizing (rightly) that their starting pitching is held together by Popsicle sticks and rubber bands, yes, it definitely makes sense. I still think it's also misleading to say they chose to give Hamels 20 million, without knowing if they really would have given him the $20 million without a coresponding move to save $7 million and really only make it a $13 million transaction. I don't think there is any question the Cubs aren't broke. They can do one year deals for $13 million. But if they are trying to keep flexibility for future years, these are the kinds of moves you make.
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Wow. This thread turned angry and violent really quickly.
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Is he? I feel like that was true under Hendry but not really under Theo. Another question I have about the no money theory, why not just backload the deal? The luxury tax affects draft penalties and taxes paid, but in terms of dollars in and dollars out you can still get creative with a contract. I can't see why they would keep Hamels when they very easily could set it up so they only pay Bryce $20m this year. The practical cost would likely be having to build next year's bullpen on a shoestring, but Bryce Harper is worth that. I think mostly because that doesn't do much for the player. A guy like Harper is going to also get a bunch of opt outs, so he's going to want the biggest money up front, not the other way around.
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Of course, not all monsters are created equal. So if they can't sign Harper, it's really Heyward and Darvish who are the real ones.
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So, try it sometime? I'm going to give this a try. Sometime in November/December: Dodgers sign Bryce Harper.
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OK. I have to admit. I don't think we are getting Bryce Harper.
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Cubs Picking Up Hamels Option, Trading Smyly to Rangers
Bryants Disco Ball replied to David's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
I really like Hamels at 1 year, $13 million. I don't care about Smyly. If it gets to the point where we needed him to actually be a factor, either we are totally screwed or you just go trade for a Drew Smyly when that point comes.