Uh I bet Shark goes to a few :roll: Plus, I'm pretty sure I saw Dempster at the ND-Syracuse game during Quinn's Jr. year interesting fact: Dempster was a ND baseball commit before he signed with the Rangers. I believe Ski thinks ND stands for North Dakota. Yes, ND has and will always stand for North Dakota. You do realize that if you asked 1000 Americans what they thought of when they heard the letters 'ND', maybe 3 would say North Dakota, and that's only because they live there. i'm pretty sure you're dead wrong on that. ND is the postal abbreviation, and it's definitely the first thing i think of. a majority might say stupid notre dame, but it's hardly as lopsided as you say. I didn't say the other 997 would say Notre Dame, just that virtually nobody would say North Dakota. Not that I know what else people would say, but I doubt that many people would say North Dakota. What else would ND stand for, besides Notre Dame or North Dakota? oddest thing, you cant sleep with your shoes on? I'd love to have set this up in the 'Ask me anything about ND' but... it's late and, merci. http://realestate.aol.com/photo-galleries/improve/laws-you-might-be-breaking?pg=6