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I was agreeing with you. When has that ever stopped someone from wanting you to die?
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Friedman, Beane, Cashman Possibly Byrnes, Hoyer, Atlanta guy, Cherington, and the Tampa assistant that's supposed to be really good, Hahn to a lesser extent. I don't consider that entire list equal, but I consider every one of them to be at least the equal of Epstein + $13 million (in extra salary) plus McNutt. Which is why I included "near equal" and only said 4-5, you ignorant SOB. I hope you die.
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Friedman, Beane, Cashman Possibly Byrnes, Hoyer, Atlanta guy, Cherington, and the Tampa assistant that's supposed to be really good, Hahn to a lesser extent. I don't consider that entire list equal, but I consider every one of them to be at least the equal of Epstein + $13 million (in extra salary) plus McNutt. So they are working for free then? Some of those guys will require compensation too. Theo would be making more than 13
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Friedman, Beane, Cashman Possibly Byrnes, Hoyer, Atlanta guy, Cherington, and the Tampa assistant that's supposed to be really good, Hahn to a lesser extent. EDIT: I was specifically thinking of Friedman, Beane, Cherington, Byrnes, and Atlanta guy
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water is much more valuable to sustaining human life, but yet diamonds cost more. Which one is the GM and which one is the player? Scarcity isn't relevant in that way. How many people can excel at general managing a big market ball club? Again, I'm not saying it has to be Theo. Or to use the prevailing logic, how many Trey McNuts can a GM produce over the couse of five years? Scarcity is relevant. There are only 30 GM jobs. There are probably 2-3 openings his off season. There are dozens of candidates. There are about 4-5 that are equal or near equal to Theo. There are many prospects but you can have multiple prospects and the more good ones you have, the better.
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No. When you sell your car, does your price depend upon how the person buying it is going to use it? Only if the car is getting promoted to a 4 wheel drive truck. I just don't understand how you don't get this. It's the same thing as an NFL coordinator being allowed to interview for a head coaching job. There's NEVER any compensation when a promotion is involved. In fact, the only time permission is even considered to be an issue is in a parallel move, which we've clearly determined is not the case here. Again, you're commingling the permission issue with the compensation issue. Theo was allowed to interview with the Cubs in the first place because the Red Sox were persuaded by Ricketts that the Cubs were offering a promotion. In no way, shape, or form does promotion = no compensation. Both the Cubs and the Red Sox have understood all along that compensation is required, and I think everyone here understands that as well. Nobody better point out that the promotion most definitely affects the compensation or he will TYPE AT YOU IN ALL CAPS. It hurts what little he has of an argument, so be cool.
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You think compensation would be equal for a lateral move compared to a promotion? Nobody's arguing there should be no compensation involved. Correct. The whole reason for compensation is that the Red Sox are losing Epstein's services. It doesn't really matter to them what role he's taking with the Cubs. If Cherington left to become assistant GM of the Cubs, you think it would be the same as leaving to become GM? The Red Sox would not grant permission to the Cubs to interview Cherington for an assistant GM position. This isn't that tricky to grasp. Divorce the permission issue from the compensation issue, and you're home free. Now that I've gone through an ugly divorce with these issues and look at it purely from the compensation standpoint, I can look back at all the examples of teams getting premium return for letting their executives leave to take a promotion. It's taking a long time to think of every single example. You're so right and so smart. And now I really miss my ex-wife and kids.
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I doubt that's going to work, considering the Cubs might not have more than 10 players in the organization that the Red Sox would want. Castro Garza Soto Marshall Anyone else from the ML roster? Then a handful of intriguing prospects: Jackson McNutt Sczrzr That's 7. Pick your favorite next three (not including 2011 draftees), and the cupboard is pretty bare after that. You can only think of 3 prospects another team might want? The pessimistic whining of some fans makes me want to stab kittens.
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I don't get your hypothetical about the Sox naming him Co-CEO. They clearly are not doing that on top of giving him more privileges and a boost in compensation. If that were the case, then I could understand the compensation more. You have a point in the fact that the Cubs new before they came to the table that there was compensation needed. Posters here merely asked why it was necessary. Arguing that it's necessary because the Cubs already knew before hand is avoiding the debate. Compensation is necessary because the Red Sox will be releasing a valuable, high-ranking member of their organization that they have under contract. In the end it doesn't really matter if the Cubs want him to run the place or wash cars in the players' lot. In either case the Red Sox are losing his services, and that's what requires compensation. Look back at all the teams that lost a member of their staff's services due to a promotion with another team and then look at how many of those teams got significant compensation. In short, you do not know what you're talking about.
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Been wondering the same thing. Someone citing things like bating avg, RBI, pitcher's wins, "fire & leadership" (or something along those lines) doesn't strike me as someone who really understand what Epstein is about Because he "ended the curse". We have a curse! He's a perfect fit even if he doesn't understand the significance of AVG and a pitcher's wins. I think I channeled them pretty well.
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His numbers only declined on paper.
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I like this I bet if you look at every single trade negotiation you'll see instances like this more often than not. With crap like this and talking about how you've met GM's and whatnot...are you trying to pretend like you're some sort of insider? Please say yes.
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I like this
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They should just hire Byrnes as GM now. That would take away most of Boston's leverage and demonstrate that Theo coming here is not a lateral move.
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Value = production/cost - (expectations + look at everyone who didn't pan out)
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Luckily you're not Tom Ricketts, and he'll give the Red Sox Garza. Can't believe you'd rather hold on to a single player rather than get a competent GM in here. A .500 pitcher, no less! Get it done!
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He and Marshall are the only ones who have done anything. And Marmol is not exactly setting the world on fire anymore. Maybe you can help me with my dilemma. I'm hungry but the store wants to charge me $100 for a loaf of bread. Obviousy not starving to death is worth $100, so I should do it, right? For this analogy to work, you'd have to specify that bread is your clear favorite food, and the store you're at is the only one that has it. So you could go someplace else, spend less, and get something less satisfying. You're not going to starve in either case. And the bread would have to be named Theo Epstein because that's how analogies work. How can a hospital be a chicken?
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He and Marshall are the only ones who have done anything. And Marmol is not exactly setting the world on fire anymore. Maybe you can help me with my dilemma. I'm hungry but the store wants to charge me $100 for a loaf of bread. Obviousy not starving to death is worth $100, so I should do it, right?
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I think a more realistic headline is, "Internet spaz 'Hollandsworth's mug' touches weiners."
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I give up. Because I do not think the world ends if we give up McNutt? Because it's not about their relative value. It's about the fact that we have no reason to give up that much value, so we shouldn't. If you know you can buy a car for $25,000... are you going to throw them an extra $1000 just to avoid the headache of negotiating it down? A double A minor league prospect for a guy who has a solid model on how to win and win consistently is not a high price to pay. High ceiling guy or not. I heard that sometimes minor leaguers DON'T EVEN PAN OUT! I say clear out the farm. Corey Patterson, ya know? LoL
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How do I put this delicately... drawing a blank. Put it any way you want. I don't have to win. I just posted that. Just don't violate your own rules like you just did. If you think McNutt or any minor leaguer is more important to the Cubs than Theo, I don't know what to tell you. Someone posted earlier that, that's not the equation. Ok, what is? What is Theo worth to the Cubs? It doesn't matter what is going on in Boston. The Cubs are either going to get him or they are not. Some people act like asking for compensation is beyond the bounds of sanity. It's not. You still haven't figured out it's not Theo vs whatever prospect? Poor guy Please help me then. Right now it is Theo vs. whatever prospect(s). That's what's on the table. If it's not Theo, the Cubs will have to start over from some point. Maybe they've interviewed other candidates. But who wants to be second in a very public business process? Starting over wouldn't mean going through all of this again. Most candidates wouldn't require this mess. I think millions of dollars and a great opportunity would be enough for most to overcome the ego bruise of being the 2nd choice.
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How do I put this delicately... drawing a blank. Put it any way you want. I don't have to win. I just posted that. Just don't violate your own rules like you just did. If you think McNutt or any minor leaguer is more important to the Cubs than Theo, I don't know what to tell you. Someone posted earlier that, that's not the equation. Ok, what is? What is Theo worth to the Cubs? It doesn't matter what is going on in Boston. The Cubs are either going to get him or they are not. Some people act like asking for compensation is beyond the bounds of sanity. It's not. You still haven't figured out it's not Theo vs whatever prospect? Poor guy
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How do I put this delicately... drawing a blank. Maybe he meant, "there's a chance." ....I hope.
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Jay Jackson or Carpenter are the best pitchers we should be willing to give up. If they want more, Ricketts should send a polaroid of his butthole.
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What do you people do for a living? I wouldn't trust half the people on here to negotiate the price of a dead cat. No on McNutt. That's a big duh.