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hmmm so lets see, it was reported that Towers wanted Olsen from the Orioles and we got him in the Pie trade. It was also reported in the San Diego Tribune that Towers had an interested in Stevens, who we got in the Derosa trade. Towers reportedly wanted Hart and Marshall in the initial trade package. The only question is did he want vitters or another pitcher or two. Do you want me to spell it out for you or are you going to respond with another vague response and ignore the reports of how the prospects the cubs got are linked to the padres. Look Peavy may or may not become a cub, but if you actually were up to date on this thread you would know who was mentioned in sources about the possible trade packages. Unfortunately you're not and you continue to act as these prospects were never mentioned and Hendry just out of the blue traded for them for the cubs to keep

None of the guys we've gotten really seem like the kind of guys Towers would want for Peavy. The only move that is even marginal on its own is DeRosa. The others make perfect sense on their own. huh? the pads want pitching, which is exactly what the cubs have acquired. Presumably they want good pitching. All we acquired was minor-league dross no better than what we already had. I like how everyone acts as if they're a scout. Oh i'm sorry did you want us to get 5 pitching prospects that were in the Top 50 Prospects list? Sorry but you act as if all we got was trash for derosa and Pie. give me a break, the padres wanted pitching prospects and thats what we got. the padres wanted Olsen ( Its a fact), so i guess according to your logic, the padres wanted trash. Call it what you want but we got the prospects the padres wanted. Its just annoying to hear people act like we need to give up five future cy young award winners for one.

I would love that trade too, but too bad it's not gonna happen. Even though trading Vitters over Marshall would benefit this team a lot more this year, I would still rather trade Marshall. I see it more as Olson, Vitters, Stevens, Hart, Cedeno, and maybe one more of the CLE prospects. I dont know, i could see the cubs not including vitter if they include 5 pitchers and cedeno. Cedeno makes sense for the padres since they lost out on Vizquel. I doubt the cubs would include 5 pitchers and their top prospect for peavy.

http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2009/01/cubsrumors12009.php Lots of good articles on ChicagoCubsonline.com The best news i noticed is Lee Hamilton's report last night on mlb live late edition. He noted that cubs could have a package of all pitchers i believe it was Marshall, Stevens, Olson, Hart and maybe one more prospect for peavy. He said the cubs might not trade vitters and he also noted something that was new to me. He said the Cubs were reluctant to trade vitters the first time which is what cause an issue also. If that is the package i would do that in a hearbeat. Dont care what most of you say but the trades that hendry has made were not done just to get bradley. I mean you dont trade your 5th starter to get another thats similar which is what some of you are suggesting.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9101340/O's-have-tough-choices;-Dodgers-primed-to-pounce?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=49 Nothing special in the article just notes that if the cubs make another big move it will more than likely be for Peavy. Adds that the cubs didn't discuss roberts in the Pie trade and that they are not invovled with hudson. Talks about the cubs prospects and how the players they got in the Pie trade could possibly be used in a Peavy deal.

The Cubs definitely need pitching prospects, just that what they rec'd from Clev. wouldn't classify as anything elite or worth holding onto. That type of thinking is what led the Yankees to where they've been for the last 5 years and not something the Cubs have the capacity to do. While I would have no problem in this case of Vitters being involved for Peavy, they should factor the state of the pipeline and what blue-chip guys are being included even if that player will help the Cubs. They trade Vitters and the cubs have maybe the worst farm in the game, espec. if Samardzija does spend the year in the Cubs' pen. So since you make a point like this you have to back up. What prospects exactly did the yankees give up that have turned out to be studs? You said this type of thinking have led to the yankees being where they are now. Thats kind of a weak argument because the Yankees are where they are now because they committed money to players who werent worth it. They overspent on players and yes they traded away prospect but did they trade away anything of worth and since you made this statement i'm wondering what stud prospects they gave up that have put them in this position.

Whats more interesting to note is that Alderson had previously said he had a deadling of the 15th of january to announce that Peavy was off the trading block. He extended that deadline to february first which by coincidence would be after the cubs named the winning bidder. I just find it too much of a coincidence that Hendry traded for Olsen ( A player the padres wanted), Pitching Prospects from Cleveland (Which the cubs didn't need). I just dont by the fact that the cubs planned on trading derosa and marquis to just acquire bradley. But the more interesting trade has to be the Pie trade cause there was never a reported interest in olsen other than the peavy talks.

there's a difference between someone who builds up cred here and some random dude on cubs.com who posts about how far away his cousin lives. if you can't understand that, i don't know what to tell you ... other than i'll give you some sweet deals on peavy autos (my cousin is friends with him), lol. if i wanted to read cubs.com, i'd read it. How do you know he's a random dude on cubs.com, have you been posting on there for a while? So because he mentioned how far his cousing lives you begin to doubt him? Give me a break. I mean honestly i want to say i dont believe the guy but after hearing DonnieDs story come true after so many doubted him, i wouldn't be surprised if the kids story is true. Its just funny how some of you on here, not all, act as if this board is at the top of the list of being 100% BS proof.

This word, I do not believe it means what you think it means. Yeah it does, just worded my argument differently. I should have just said those who were posting on this board that we should not doubt DonnieD until he's proven wrong but yet went ahead and called the kid on Cubs.com a liar before he was proven wrong are hypocrites.

Because cubs.com is a cesspool full of those morons who make Veterans Committee up for no apparent reason. Doesn't Justify to call the guy a liar if you dont know him. They can be saying the samething about NSBB when DonnieD posted his story

Hey DonnieD you heard me wrong. Wasn't calling you a liar, the quote you picked out was when i was referring to the Cubs.com poster. In my opinion anyone who is calling the kid at Cubs.com a liar is a hypocrite because I myself believe you when you came on here and posted the Puerto Rico story and if i remember correctly mostly everybody believed you. As far fetched as your story was at the beginning no one doubted you because you email and contacted people on this board about your story and they all confirmed it might be legit. But yet we have people posting on here with "NewsFlash- Cubs.com poster is lying" but yet they gave you a chance when you posted your story. So in my opinion if you are posting that the kid on that board is lying but yet you believed DonnieD then well my friend you're a hypocrite. Give the guy on Cubs.com a chance until he's proven to be a liar or his story doesnt check out or Peavy gets traded elsewhere.

How is he acting all high and mighty? He was defnding himself because you basically called him a liar and lumped him in with some joker on cubs.com. DonnieD never said the trade was done. If you read too much into it, then that's your fault. How in the world did i call him a liar? All i'm saying is dont call the kid or guy on cubs.com a liar until he's proven wrong just like we didnt call him a liar until we were proven wrong.

Man stop thinking you're all high and mighty because your rumor came true and yes it is the same. You came on here posting that you had insider info and that peavy might become a cub. You only emailed a few selected posters on about what your info was and they came back and said they thought it was legit. So please explain to me after reading the posts on cubs.com how your post was different. You may think you're more legit than the poster on cubs.com but the posters on cubs.com might be saying the same thing about that dude.

I hate that one dude on the score, whats his name, Murphy? Can't stand his voice and comments, sounds like an old senior citizen broadcasting from an old folks home. I'm also starting to get annoyed with Mac from the ESPN1000 show.

Man that sucks i leave early for work, won't catch any of it. Hopefully someone posts something if he says anything worth mentioning.

hmmm this is weird, I get emails from Cubs.com all the time and I just got an email saying the Cubs will hold a press conference tomorrow morning to announce a new member to their roster? Anyone else get this email?

The conversation on the cubs board that they're having about that kid who supposedly knows someone, kind of sounds like the same convo we had hear with the guy in Puerto Rico and how he talked to Peavy and how peavy didnt want to be a brave and blah blah. The only difference is this guy or kid is saying the deal is done which is really not believable because i'm pretty sure it would've leaked by now. I just hate it when people post that stuff cause the cub fan in me wants to believe it so bad but the common sense part of me knows it's not true. http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=101&nav=messages&webtag=ml-cubs&tid=349419

Yeah its kind of dumb to assume peavy is worth less right now than a few years ago. I mean he's only 27 and no, before anyones says it he's not injury prone or due for an injury because he hasn't had many DL stints to justify it. Its all just pure speculation in my opinion until someone comes out and says he has shoulder or elbow problems. I would say if anything he's worth more now than back then because right now he's a smarter pitcher and entering his prime. But trading them in either periods doesnt make a difference because i doubt his worth went down.

I'm pretty sure he wants to be a cub but he also prefers to stay a padre. Even when he was singing go cubs go, he was probably still happy about remaining a padre, i doubt he ever wanted to leave the organization but that might have changed with the way they treated him during the winter meetings. I wouldn't take as old news in my opinion because we may never know, he's might still be signing things with go cubs go today. It just so happened that this story became public which is why we heard about it.

If the guy sings "Go Cubs Go" it doesnt only mean that he sang it because he thought it was a done deal. He probably sang it because he was excited about possibly becoming a cub. I doubt that a week before he was doing the braves chop because they working on a deal to send him to atlanta. I think he's wanted to be a cub if he wasn't going to be a padre. I think people underestimate how much a lot of players would like to be cub because of the experience of playing in Wrigley Field. I'm not saying that as a cub fan but as a fan in general. I mean if i was a player i would either want to be a Cub, Red Sox, Met or Yankee because of the experience that comes with playing in those franchises.

I highly doubt they were depending on Smoltz to come back. I'm pretty sure they felt they couldn't count on him and were working under the impression that he wouldn't pitch for them. Plus even Towers has said that he even doubt Peavy would clear a trade to the Braves

I think this really comes down to Peavy. The Padres dangled him and I think he officially wants out. Peavy's contract extension was based on the Padres staying competitive. I wouldn't be surprised if Peavy forces the trade to the Cubs. I've held firm all offseason that this deal will happen. I'm also expecting it to happen sooner now than later. Both teams still have work to do if Peavy isn't going anywhere, and less and less players will be available to either team the longer this deal takes. How would he do that? He could be a total jerk and go to the media and say he refuses to play another game in a Padres uniform, and he will only accept a trade to the Cubs, and force the Padres hand. I think if he went out in public and said he demands a trade but he can only be traded to the Cubs, the public would side the with the Padres without a doubt. You can't make a ridiculous request (ridiculous being limiting them to one trading partner) and not expect backlash. I highly doubt that, no way the public sides with the padres, even padres fans, if Peavy demands a trade. You have to look at the situation, Peavy gave the Padres a huge discount on his extension, the padres dangled peavy out there for more than three months. The padres ownership and general manager were openly talking about trading peavy. Peavy is probably the most loved padre in SD, do you honestly think the fans in SD would turn their back on Peavy after he was misled and pull back and forth in trade talks? Come on give me a break, if back in the day when Sosa was loved and the Cubs sucked, the cubs dangled him out there in trade talks for most of the winter and then decided to pull him back in only to have sosa demand a trade. I would no doubt be on Sosa's side because of the treament he got. It would be a different story if Peavy had an attitude problem or if peavy had been open about his dissapointment in how the franchise hasn't gotten better but yet Peavy hasn't done any of that and has been a good sport eventhough he's on one of the worst franchises in the MLB. So you think the Padres fans would side with Peavy even after he embezzles their favorite team out of any sort of leverage to get a decent return, thus ruining your biggest trade chip? How in the world is he going to embezzle them from getting a decent return? Its not like he would go to the Padres and Say, trade me to the cubs for Marshall straight up. The Package the cubs would offer wont be overpaying but will probably be fair. You act as if getting Vitters and prospects is a garbage package. The Fans wont turn against Peavy because as it mentioned above, the padres gave peavy the NTC and you make it sound as if peavy is telling the padres who gets traded for him. You're not going to get any sort of fair value for a player of Peavy's caliber if you only have 1 team that you *have* to trade him to. Peavy would be forcing the Padres to trade him for less than he'd be worth on the open market. So why wouldn't fans be mad when Peavy screws his former team into getting much less than he's worth? Your still making it seem like the Cubs are offerring garbage for him. I mean yeah, maybe they would get a better package out there if any team could bid on him but it wouldn't be "Much Less." I just read on Keith Law's chat some yankeed fan asking Keith if it would be a good idea for the "Yankees" to trade Cabrera for Peavy straight up seeing as Peavy has injury risk. I hope you're not one of those types that will compare a cubs package to a media overhyped package from the red sox or Yankees. I mean because according to ESPN and major media outlets, Hughes is one of the top prospects in the MLB and so is Bucholz. But back to the Peavy trade, so you dont feel a package of Vitters, two of the three Indian Prospects, Cedeno, Pie (or Olson) and Hart (Or Guzman) is a fair package for Peavy?

I think this really comes down to Peavy. The Padres dangled him and I think he officially wants out. Peavy's contract extension was based on the Padres staying competitive. I wouldn't be surprised if Peavy forces the trade to the Cubs. I've held firm all offseason that this deal will happen. I'm also expecting it to happen sooner now than later. Both teams still have work to do if Peavy isn't going anywhere, and less and less players will be available to either team the longer this deal takes. How would he do that? He could be a total jerk and go to the media and say he refuses to play another game in a Padres uniform, and he will only accept a trade to the Cubs, and force the Padres hand. I think if he went out in public and said he demands a trade but he can only be traded to the Cubs, the public would side the with the Padres without a doubt. You can't make a ridiculous request (ridiculous being limiting them to one trading partner) and not expect backlash. I highly doubt that, no way the public sides with the padres, even padres fans, if Peavy demands a trade. You have to look at the situation, Peavy gave the Padres a huge discount on his extension, the padres dangled peavy out there for more than three months. The padres ownership and general manager were openly talking about trading peavy. Peavy is probably the most loved padre in SD, do you honestly think the fans in SD would turn their back on Peavy after he was misled and pull back and forth in trade talks? Come on give me a break, if back in the day when Sosa was loved and the Cubs sucked, the cubs dangled him out there in trade talks for most of the winter and then decided to pull him back in only to have sosa demand a trade. I would no doubt be on Sosa's side because of the treament he got. It would be a different story if Peavy had an attitude problem or if peavy had been open about his dissapointment in how the franchise hasn't gotten better but yet Peavy hasn't done any of that and has been a good sport eventhough he's on one of the worst franchises in the MLB. So you think the Padres fans would side with Peavy even after he embezzles their favorite team out of any sort of leverage to get a decent return, thus ruining your biggest trade chip? How in the world is he going to embezzle them from getting a decent return? Its not like he would go to the Padres and Say, trade me to the cubs for Marshall straight up. The Package the cubs would offer wont be overpaying but will probably be fair. You act as if getting Vitters and prospects is a garbage package. The Fans wont turn against Peavy because as it mentioned above, the padres gave peavy the NTC and you make it sound as if peavy is telling the padres who gets traded for him.

I think this really comes down to Peavy. The Padres dangled him and I think he officially wants out. Peavy's contract extension was based on the Padres staying competitive. I wouldn't be surprised if Peavy forces the trade to the Cubs. I've held firm all offseason that this deal will happen. I'm also expecting it to happen sooner now than later. Both teams still have work to do if Peavy isn't going anywhere, and less and less players will be available to either team the longer this deal takes. How would he do that? By taking his gripes to the front office. He can express his disappointment with the organization for having a fire sale when his contract extension was based on the team staying competitive. Peavy acted in good faith to the organization and they crapped all over him. Granted, he can't actually force a trade. But, I would imagine the proper thing to do when you have burned that bridge is to trade the player. Kinda hard for Peavy to take a "you owe it to me to trade me" stance when he's got a NTC that he's using to tie the Padres' hands. I'm sure if Peavy was willing to waive the NTC then Towers would be more than happy to accomodate him. Not really, peavy can basically tell the padres how he took a discount to remain a padre and was dissapointed that they are not getting better and top of it have messed with his mind with all this trade talk. I think Towers and Ownership would accomodate peavy if he did this and send them to the cubs, especially if the cubs are offering a pretty fair package for him. Eventhough Peavy has a NTC, i dont think towers would turnaround and say well waive it for any team then because i do feel that the relationship between Towers and Peavy is pretty good. I mean Towers has been the only GM peavy has had to deal with and i'm pretty sure Towers respects Peavy for signing the contract that he did

I think this really comes down to Peavy. The Padres dangled him and I think he officially wants out. Peavy's contract extension was based on the Padres staying competitive. I wouldn't be surprised if Peavy forces the trade to the Cubs. I've held firm all offseason that this deal will happen. I'm also expecting it to happen sooner now than later. Both teams still have work to do if Peavy isn't going anywhere, and less and less players will be available to either team the longer this deal takes. How would he do that? He could be a total jerk and go to the media and say he refuses to play another game in a Padres uniform, and he will only accept a trade to the Cubs, and force the Padres hand. I think if he went out in public and said he demands a trade but he can only be traded to the Cubs, the public would side the with the Padres without a doubt. You can't make a ridiculous request (ridiculous being limiting them to one trading partner) and not expect backlash. I highly doubt that, no way the public sides with the padres, even padres fans, if Peavy demands a trade. You have to look at the situation, Peavy gave the Padres a huge discount on his extension, the padres dangled peavy out there for more than three months. The padres ownership and general manager were openly talking about trading peavy. Peavy is probably the most loved padre in SD, do you honestly think the fans in SD would turn their back on Peavy after he was misled and pull back and forth in trade talks? Come on give me a break, if back in the day when Sosa was loved and the Cubs sucked, the cubs dangled him out there in trade talks for most of the winter and then decided to pull him back in only to have sosa demand a trade. I would no doubt be on Sosa's side because of the treament he got. It would be a different story if Peavy had an attitude problem or if peavy had been open about his dissapointment in how the franchise hasn't gotten better but yet Peavy hasn't done any of that and has been a good sport eventhough he's on one of the worst franchises in the MLB.