Careless

It's ok to be wrong, we even let cardinals fans post here! The bartman play doesn't excuse agonz no matter where the ball lands. It does, however, indict god.

Moises wears his emotions on his sleeve, and I don't think his reaction should have been all that surprising to anyone. Plus, he apologized for his reaction before Game 7. Bottom line is that Gonzalez had the highest F% of all NL shortstops in 2003 and that was a routine grounder. Even distracted, any competent player should be expected to make that play. Seconded, Moises is an emotional guy, and make no mistake, that was fan interference, so he was justifiably upset. But Gonzo's error should be the focus of that collapse. Not under the rules it wasn't. The ball was going to land in the stands and therefore was not interference. CFP did a great breakdown at some point afterwards about this, too bad we don't have it any more. Bartman was reaching over the railing. But regardless, it shouldn't have mattered, Gonzo should've made the play, Alou should've worn PF flyers and caught it anyway, etc. You can tell that Alou was reaching over the railing. The ball would NOT have landed on the field of play. Therefore it is not fan interference. As much as I don't want to admit it, the umpires made the correct call. Believe me, I wish just as much as every other Cubs fan that either Alou would have caught the ball or the ball would have landed in the field of play so the umps could have called interference. But it didn't end up that way. The correct call was made. yeah, because that shot clearly shows the picture down the line, unlike the others that show the railing much more clearly Boo.

Not sure why you'd skip williams when A) he's a good shot to be better than maddux B) he's a good shot to be better than rusch C) he's a good shot to be better than hill D) he's a good shot to be better than guzman E)he's young enough that more innings have a fair chance to significantly increase his trade value. I'd put williams as 2 and not skip anyone (maybe go to a 5.5 man rotation)

Not even sure of what this means. I guess you are saying that Baseball is as important as religion. Or that by moving to India one should change religions, which isn't my point. My point is the exact opposite. You are a christian because you were born in America to a chritian family. you didn't choose to become christian, somebody else did that for you. Actually you are very wrong. Some people with feeble minds are born into religion and don't question it, but for most of the people I know, they came to their religious actualization on their own. They choose to be Hindu, or Bhuddist or Catholic, or Lutheran, or whatever. Nobody else did it for them. 'The fact that 99%+ of people are born into their religion renders your claim ludicrous Did you READ my explanation? I think you're misunderstanding what I mean by born into, and what I mean by choice. I'm BORN into being Indian, I'm not born into being Hindu. My parents were Hindu, and took me to the temple, and I might have followed that as a kid, but when I was in college I made conscious decisions about what I wanted to be. I had CHOICE. IF it's a choice, then it can only be made A) on incredibly incomplete/bad information B) with genetically pre-determined outcomes. there is simply no other way that such a vast majority of people could wind up following the religion of their parents with free will (I'm considering respect for tradition/family a loss of free will, btw)

I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying. I'm not saying you become a fan of a new team when you move. But you become a fan of the team that you grew up on. The team you had no choice in the matter of picking it. It was the local team it was the team you could see and follow. How many born and raised Chicagoans become Angels fans? How many become Cubs or Sox fans? Do you think its pure luck that the vast majority of them become Cubs and Sox fans? Do you think there is no correlation to proximity of team and fandom? This has nothing to do with moving and picking a new team or religion. this has everything to do with you saying you feel like you might wind up picking a new one and asking how people can continue to remain cubs fans after leaving town

Not even sure of what this means. I guess you are saying that Baseball is as important as religion. Or that by moving to India one should change religions, which isn't my point. My point is the exact opposite. You are a christian because you were born in America to a chritian family. you didn't choose to become christian, somebody else did that for you. Actually you are very wrong. Some people with feeble minds are born into religion and don't question it, but for most of the people I know, they came to their religious actualization on their own. They choose to be Hindu, or Bhuddist or Catholic, or Lutheran, or whatever. Nobody else did it for them. 'The fact that 99%+ of people are born into their religion renders your claim ludicrous

Not even sure of what this means. I guess you are saying that Baseball is as important as religion. Or that by moving to India one should change religions, which isn't my point. My point is the exact opposite. You are a christian because you were born in America to a chritian family. you didn't choose to become christian, somebody else did that for you. Most people are Cub fans because of their family or geography. Without contacting gallup I would say that is a fact. If one does a study of fandom one would see a huge concentration of fans in and around Chicago with outposts throughout the midwest. If you lived in say Iowa and liked baseball you were going to be a Cubs fan the majority of the time. If you were born in and around Chicago you were going to be either a Cubs fan or a Sox fan. If your dad, favorite relative, or person who left the strongest mark on you was a Cubs fan then chances are you will be a Cubs fan. Most fans do not actually make conscious fully formed decision on which team they will root for for the rest of their life. You choose a team when you are 6 and thats your team for the rest of your life. Kind of odd to me, I mean how many of us would be firemen or failed astronauts if we had to stick with every decision we made when we were 6? First paragraph: wrong. Second one: my point exactly. Not sure how you managed that. People don't tend to change either one just because they move, though they're more pliable with sports teams than religions

No matter what? So if they move to Vegas are you a Vegas Cub fan? What have the Cubs done to earn your lifelong devotion? I'm betting it isn't anything they have done but something either your family has done or geography has done. Nor would I think you would be allowed to party up with "them" when it came time to celebrate. Sure you could bask in their glow but you would be on outside looking in.. And yet you'd say nothing if he moved to, say, India and remained (presumably) a Christian Accidents of birth result in extremely strong emotional bonds.

These two things just inspired me to hysterical laughter. Because of this thread, I am less sane than I was 10 minutes ago.

Unfortunately, steroids weren't against the rules when he was reportedly taking them, so it's hard to justify such a ban for a guy that technically didn't break a rule. The gambling rule was longstanding and well know. The lack of a steroid rule was also longstanding and well known. The very long espn online/magazine article from last year stated that they were against the rules and went into detail (now forgotten, sorry) about how they were banned going back to something like 1993. Just looked it up, the full story is here

I'd trade Prior, Wood (pick up the option, eat the cash and get some decent prospects), Jones, and Barrett. You can't trade Wood. NTC. He ain't waiving it and on ones taking him. :takes shotgun and puts in mouth: you don't think he'd waive it if we blew up the team, traded his buddy Prior, and offered to send him to Texas? he'd get his money. No, I don't. He doesn't want to leave chicago, he certainly wouldn't want to go to a hitters haven, regardless if he's from Texas. Why on EARTH you'd trade Prior who we have until 2008 is beyond me anyway - but no one would take either of em. We wouldn't get squat for either. Wood would waive it in an instant if, as was suggested, the option was picked up as part of the deal. You really think he'd pass up the $5 million or so he'd make with the option vs a new contract to avoid being traded?

he's so clutch

on bad pitches, too

you don't have tv? location=england

Looks like Lee is still the man

Preemptively

Yes, guys who you hear about being posted are under contract to a japanese team

:shock: @the end of that hyperhydrosis commercial

they like winning

Who else wants to see japanese umps calling some games

No kidding, what's this japanese pitcher's fastball actually?

I wish dusty was manager here so we could have a press conference with the japanese guy and dusty That would really make my week

And don't you wish you could have been the announcer there? I wish peavy didn't play for SD so I could root for him

Let me guess (I really don't know): varitek is catching for us I was wrong, eh? didn't think there would be another catchere here dropping balls like that

It's 51 with light rain in Anaheim right now. They don't like that weather out there. does anyone like that weather? Me. and how do the announcers not note the failure of the 3b to get that ball out? I'm not sure that's an error, but it's a blown defensive play