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That's pretty funny to hear, because the Vikings finished 28th in pass offense last year. I don't think I'd consider it a good thing that they let receivers improvise more when they're bottom-feeders in the pass game. Whatever they're doing up there, last year it didn't work. They were almost totally reliant on their admittedly great run game. When that didn't come through, they lost critical games and ended out of the playoffs. Personally I don't think just Bernard Berrian would do it for them. But him, along with other acquisitions + another year in the same system, probably will. They also had a first-year starter at QB and (when Rice was injured) had Troy Williamson, Bobby Wade, Robert Ferguson as their top 3 WR's. You could have the best scheme in the history of football and you weren't going to have a productive pass offense with that group. This year we'll see. Berrian is a major upgrade, Tarvaris has that first year under his belt, Sidney Rice (along with Aundre Allison) are in their second year, Wade gets to be a slot guy again where he can be successful. The group overall still doesn't have enough to be great but they do need to make teams pay for completely selling out against the run. yea, your right. BB has NEVER had a ball hit him right int the hands and drop it the way Troy Williamson did.

That's pretty funny to hear, because the Vikings finished 28th in pass offense last year. I don't think I'd consider it a good thing that they let receivers improvise more when they're bottom-feeders in the pass game. Whatever they're doing up there, last year it didn't work. They were almost totally reliant on their admittedly great run game. When that didn't come through, they lost critical games and ended out of the playoffs. Personally I don't think just Bernard Berrian would do it for them. But him, along with other acquisitions + another year in the same system, probably will. your right, they were atrocious passing the ball, but I was thinking more of how it implicates Turner. Turner is famous for not adjusting well to things. it seems his intire playbook replicates his own demeanor. o, and the Seahawks ate the Vikings 1st team D ALIVE tonite.

I am watching the Vikings pre-season game. they interviewed BB and asked him what is the dif between the Bears offense and the Vikings. his response was something to the effect that in MN, they have a lot of freedom on their pass routes while in Chicago you pretty much do what you are told. I thought that was interesting. Turner always was an immovable object mentally. he also mentioned that he was excited to FINALLY be a #1 WR.whatever man. I hope Brown breaks your heart.

It's a waste throwing to the RB if you are not designing plays to get them the ball in space. Not including the last drive vs. the prevent defense, 4 of the 8 completions to RBs went for 4 yards or less, and two more went for less than 8. That's not even worth throwing. The WRs suck, but an offense moves the ball by getting it to their WRs down the field. I do agree that the ball needs to go to the TEs more, but it's going to have to be down the field to make any difference. considering the lack of a true #1 wr and development there of, they will have to use the RB more often. Again, that's not the point. The Chiefs of a few years ago were mentioned earlier as a team that threw to the TEs and RBs a lot and were successful. Well, those teams were able to get the ball to the RBs and TE (Tony Gonzalez) because they weren't afraid to throw the ball down the field some. Eddie Kennison average 17.5 per reception in 04. Johnnie Morton 14.5. Samie Parker only had 9 catches, but averaged over 15 yards per catch. Kennison and Parker got 16 and 15 ypc respectively the next season. San Diego last year, Gates and LT caught 135 balls between them. Their top 3 WRs caught a combined 96. But 2 of the 3 WRs averaged well over 15 ypc. Their 4th leading WR got 14 ypc. Not a #1 WR between the 2 teams. The Bears with Rex and Orton had 2 plays over 15 yards, one was due to Hester getting 16 with a RAC. Berrian was by far the Bears leading WR last year, and the closest thing they had to a #1, and averaged 13.4 per catch. That's not gonna get it done, especially now when you have to respect the WRs even less. if I am a D-cord approaching a game with KC or SD, Kennison, Morton, Parker, or any of the SD WR's are not the guys I would key on. I would concentrate on stopping the likes of Gonzalez, Holmes, LT, and Gates. The high averages for htose WR's were a result of knowing how to use the RB's and TE's. non of the WR"s were pro-bowl material, except for a career year here and there. the RB's and TE's mentioned above border on HOF, however. you cant tell me the WR production created the careers of LT and Gonzalez?! I guess my point is simply if you have talent at RB and TE, why not use them as the features?

It's a waste throwing to the RB if you are not designing plays to get them the ball in space. Not including the last drive vs. the prevent defense, 4 of the 8 completions to RBs went for 4 yards or less, and two more went for less than 8. That's not even worth throwing. The WRs suck, but an offense moves the ball by getting it to their WRs down the field. I do agree that the ball needs to go to the TEs more, but it's going to have to be down the field to make any difference. considering the lack of a true #1 wr and development there of, they will have to use the RB more often.

Williams didn't miss one practice or game while in college. The back issue was very minor. Regardless, this is a different back issue. it was 1/2 frustration and 1/2 anger in my response. I am just livid at the idea of a Fred Miller return

your thinking Miller. St Clair might be the anser at LT...but yikes, whatta answer

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/08/07/chris-williams-out-for-the-year/ Don't know how reliable it is, but sure doesn't sound good... :( awesome. leave it to the Bears to draft a LT int he 1st rd only to have them loose him for the season with and injury before he even practices. in a tackle rich draft even. I thought the Williams pick was solid. man. I was way off. man this burns. Angelo should ALWAYS trade his #1 for as many 3-4 rds as he can get. just take the 1st out of his hands

It's supposedly unrelated to the back spasms Williams had earlier. Time to move Tait back over. Bears look to be getting close to reacquiring Miller at RT. Some sources say Williams is out for the year. I say put Williams out there because the lien is going to be lying on their backs after a second anyway. At least we will be using out well-paid LT to lie on the ground and get trampled on. Fred Miller is a horrible idea. start an undrafted rookie if you must, but never Miller. dude is a turnstile

how long is Williams going to be gone?

all for it You start posting there and ill follow I started.....Game Threads...

reeaaally? how so? maybe in public opinion, but Orton can be just as volitable as Grossman, and they have virtually the same contract. He wasn't talking about contract. He was saying that Kyle's highs aren't as high as Rex's, and his lows aren't as low as Rex's. fair enough, although they both have lows that make me cringe.

all for it

jesus

Well, seeing how Theriot is the SS, and DeRo hasnt played SS this year, yea it could be bad. Although Cedeno has done pretty decent lately. I dont care....lol

NY Giants. 2007-8. I don't mean having a QB that fans/media didn't believe in. I mean a team entering camp not having a clue who their QB was going to be. Eli was the QB from the start no matter what the fans wanted I was under the impression that Eli was under the microscope, and in general was replying to the idea of "controversy" more so then "battle". The thing is, the Giants proved that a team can win with QB as an "issue" at the beginning of the season. I dont think too many people in NY (or the org for that matter) really thought Eli was going to take them to the promise land (for ref, refer to Giants/Vikings game 2007)...but he did..or kept out of their way at least. Fair enough, but a large portion of the time it's a team with a great QB who is lifting the trophy. Having that top QB is the best way to cover the most sins, IMO. Trouble is, finding that guy proves to be difficult for clubs like the Bears. finding "that guy" is difficult for every club. does anyone really thing Rogers is the answer in GB? and they are a "QB rich" franchise. If you are in the pos to win games, and dont have said stud QB, you better know how to use your team and their ability to their best potential. I think the Bears are good at this, except for Mr. Turner..but thats another arguement.

would it be all that bad if he really missed playing time? De-Ro has been unbelievable lately....even tho Theriot has been having mostly a good year...

NY Giants. 2007-8. I don't mean having a QB that fans/media didn't believe in. I mean a team entering camp not having a clue who their QB was going to be. Eli was the QB from the start no matter what the fans wanted I was under the impression that Eli was under the microscope, and in general was replying to the idea of "controversy" more so then "battle". The thing is, the Giants proved that a team can win with QB as an "issue" at the beginning of the season. I dont think too many people in NY (or the org for that matter) really thought Eli was going to take them to the promise land (for ref, refer to Giants/Vikings game 2007)...but he did..or kept out of their way at least.

btw, does anyone know what station the Bears game will be carried on? I was hoping there would be an off-chance I might get to see it.

NY Giants. 2007-8.

they ready to trade Smith yet?

reeaaally? how so? maybe in public opinion, but Orton can be just as volitable as Grossman, and they have virtually the same contract. And Orton isnt a baby anymore. The last couple of games this year showed he is just as likely to bomb and misread as Grossman, as a veteran. I agree.

that is terrible

Hes not caving to anything. He is just going to reinstate Favre and giving control over his future to the Packers. He could have reinstated him today or tomorrow but he is giving the Packers an extra day reports were that he was forcing Thompson to accept Favre's reinstatement, and come to terms with Favre. I dont think the Packers wanted any of this...

I hate the Packers, but I have to say I REALLY thin Goodell is out of line here. The Packers have every right to control Brett's future. Its too bad the Commish has to cave to sentiment and act the bully