Starters off the top of my head I would take over Orton: Manning, Brady, Brees, Roethlisberger, Warner, E. Manning, McNabb, Romo, Ryan, Rivers, Schaub, Garrard, Favre, Rodgers, Hasselbeck, and Flacco. And then you could throw in the fact that no one in their right mind would take Orton over Stafford or Sanchez as a long term solution. I guess you could say Orton is in the next group with the Shaun Hills and Matt Cassels of the world. I don't see how that puts him at "easily above average" for starting QBs. I have no idea why you would want Hasselbeck more. He has had one good season in the last four and can't stay healthy at all anymore. As far as the taking Stafford and Sanchez stuff, if you do that then Favre and Hasselbeck are dropped from the list. Obviously I have a huge bias for Purdue players but a QB who had a good ratio, on a team that has crappy receivers and the coach didn't open up the playbook until late in the season I would say is above average.