That is not what I said, although I will certainly accept blame for stating my point badly and, as I'll explain in a minute, for adding a cheap shot. S1) "throwing his glove on the ground signalled that, at least in the heat of that moment, Ted Lilly was more interested in quickly minimizing unpleasant feelings than in maximizing the Cubs' chances of winning." S2) "it shows that, in that instant, he cared more about momentary pain than about his teammates or about achievement or competition. " S3) "when the team needed him, he was too busy crying." Let's talk about S3 first. After rereading my post, I can see that it was a mistake on my part to say that. First, it was an insulting comment that played no actual role in my argument. Since I'd already made my substantive claims in S1 and S2, my decision to include S3 was gratuitous. Second, as your post shows, including S3 exaggerated the liklihood that my actual position would be misunderstood. As I'll explain in just a second, I asserted only that Lilly quit on the team after the HR, not that he never recovered or that he never restablished what I'm sure are his real priorities. But before we move on to that, I should say something about more about a third reason why S3 might have been unfair. When making an accusation, or defending against one, it is often helpful to keep in mind the distinction between justifications and excuses. Suppose that I make an accusation against someone else, saying that an action they performed was inappropriate or wrong. That person then has two options to defend himself. One option is to claim that what he did was the actually the correct thing to do. The other is to admit that he shouldn't have done whatever it was, but that for some reason he should be let off the hook. The latter option -the excuse- is a claim to the effect that, under the circumstances, it was understandable, though not justifiable, that the person did what he did, for instance because some things are just too much to ask of someone. When I claimed that Lilly's priorities went awry, I only offered an argument for why his behavior was unjustified. I never said anything about the possibility of excuses. I admit that this omission was a mistake. I made it only because I wasn't thinking as carefully as I should have been. So, if anyone wants to argue that I'm unfairly blaming Lilly for the type of emotional outburst no one should be expected to control, they would be perfectly right to criticize my earlier post for unfairly neglecting their position. But the argument that Lilly should be excused from responsibility assumes that his behavior was unjustified. It's not clear to me whether you or others here accept that. For instance, the post immediately after yours, Brian's, seems not to. The first posts in this topic also seem to assert that Lilly's behavior was justified. Since, arguably, there's no point in arguing about excuses if there's no agreement about the possibility of justification, we should talk about justification first. I assume that almost everyone here agrees that if Lilly quit on the team, then his behavior was unjustified. That amounts to saying that each player has a responsibility to the team to focus on the play at hand, and to make every effort to shove aside self-recriminating thoughts for the duration of their time on field. It seems plain to me that Lilly did not do this, and thus was in violation of his responsibility to focus on getting each batter out. One argument open to you is that some players have much stronger emotions than others, and that in some cases emotions get so strong that a player is unable to control them. Perhaps Lilly tried his best to contain his anger, but failed. If so, Lilly has an excuse. But it seems to me that you are saying something different. It seems to me that you're claiming, contra me, that Lilly didn't quit on the team. I'll quote a couple lines of your post to show why I think this. S4) S5) geez, this is a message board, not an essay exam.