Holy overreaction, Batman. Neither Lilly nor Marquis even come remotely close to "brutal." Both have winning records and ERAs of around 4.50 (Marquis slightly below, Lilly a little higher). Both have some starts that are stinkers, but neither has numbers out of line for a 4th or 5th starter.Seriously? You are using W-L record as an evaulation of a pitcher? Is that still allowed? he also used ERA, neither of theirs' are bad. a sane person realizes that jason marquis and ted lilly have not been brutal. They have been pretty close, and while they may hack it as #4 or #5 starters on alot of teams, a great team(aka...this team) should aim higher. If Rich Hill can revert back to his 2007 self, I much rather have him as the # 4 starter.