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Don’t want Mond?

At their current position they have about a 20% chance at a top 4 pick. AK was smart to make it top 4 protected. It basically ensures if they suck out and get lucky, they keep their pick to draft one of the top prospects. If they dont, the pick will be after 5, and thus not nearly as valuable this year. I would gladly exchange not making the playoffs for a top 4 pick, but the odds are stacked against them.

Not really. The trade wasn’t done for this year. Even knowing Zach’s ankle was going to get worse as he tried to play through it, AK would still make that trade 10/10 times I’d imagine. Maybe they get lucky and hop into the top 4 if they miss the playoffs? That would obviously be the ideal scenario. More likely they pick somewhere around 8-9, and in that case I’d still rather have Vuc moving forward. Side note I was thinking about which 100% won’t happen...but if you decided you made the wrong move and wanted to trade Vuc before the draft, the odds are pretty high you’d be able to get a top 5 pick. So you could essentially trade this years 8/9 overall pick plus the 2023 FRP for a top 5 pick this year. I’d do that deal being that it’s a 5 player draft. You really think you could get a top 5 pick for Vucevic? 5 worst records in basketball are Minnesota, Houston, Detroit, Orlando, Cleveland. Which one of them is in position to trade their pick for a 31 year old center? I don't disagree he has value but if Vuc is trading its to a team that is farther along in their rebuild process. I was assuming 1+ teams will win the lottery and jump up into the top 4. Or perhaps a 3 way trade. Of course I don’t expect, or even think it’s possible, that he gets traded this offseason. Just kind of saying that Vuc’s value to me is still higher than a 2021 non top 5 pick and a 2023 FRP. He has 2 years FAR below market value after this year. Edit: Minnesota’s pick goes to GSW if it falls out of the top 3 as well. Though I’m sure GSW would rather just keep Wiseman and draft Kuminga/Green than trade for Vuc.

Not really. The trade wasn’t done for this year. Even knowing Zach’s ankle was going to get worse as he tried to play through it, AK would still make that trade 10/10 times I’d imagine. Maybe they get lucky and hop into the top 4 if they miss the playoffs? That would obviously be the ideal scenario. More likely they pick somewhere around 8-9, and in that case I’d still rather have Vuc moving forward. Side note I was thinking about which 100% won’t happen...but if you decided you made the wrong move and wanted to trade Vuc before the draft, the odds are pretty high you’d be able to get a top 5 pick. So you could essentially trade this years 8/9 overall pick plus the 2023 FRP for a top 5 pick this year. I’d do that deal being that it’s a 5 player draft.

Lol Mac Jones going 30. He’s probably going to go in the top 10.

We now have the current #11 and #16 player in BPM.... add a very good piece (Lonzo?) in the offseason and we’re easily a top 4 team in the East, right on par with Philly and Boston and a notch below the Nets if they get all their personalities figured out at the same time.

I also just read that the pick this year is top 4 protected, so this prevents us from really getting burned if the Bulls cant make the playoffs Both of the picks are top-4 protected, apparently. This feels like a surprise - after last night's ridiculous loss to Cleveland I would've bet on another tank - but I guess with LaVine only signed one more year, AK was going to have to pick a lane pretty soon anyway, and this is the more interesting one. Kind of crazy that I was annoyed when the Bulls matched Sacramento's 4/78 offer for LaVine and now he's the cornerstone and almost certainly getting a max extension in a few months. Can’t extend Zach till next year. You can “renegotiate” his contract this offseason to pay him more money and give him up to 5 years total. You need to be under the cap to do that. And we are currently over. That means renouncing Lauri and trading some combo of Sato, Thad, and Aminu. I think prior to this trade, you had to consider doing that. But now you don’t have to as I think Zach will be happy long term signing in 2022 and knowing we can bolster the roster next offseason more if he waits till 2022 to extend. This is the best part of all this, along with getting a top 25 player to pair with Zach. I think Lonzo is a great fit now. You have two guys in Zach and Vuc that you are going to run a majority of your offense through. So ideally you want a good defense/shooting PG, which Lonzo has remarkably turned himself into. I think the facilitating aspect is less important now. Also, Lonzo is a great playmaker in transition. Would be fun watching him and Zach on the break. You can move some guys and put together a pretty solid offer sheet that NO definitely doesn’t match.

Nice signing depending on the money. Most importantly it assures I don’t have to watch another Cordarelle Patterson 1.5 yard rush.

Absolute zero chance he's 1st Round Yeah, not a chance in hell, now, if he comes back and gets more of a game. He's got a decent stroke, you can see it at times on his FT's. There's no reason he can't develop a three point shot along with a mid-range jumper, turn around jumper, he does those things I'd say he's a first rounder for certain. He was a 55% FT shooter. Down from 68% last year. I think it’s highly unlikely he develops a consistent shot, but who knows. I think the more times he confirms he can’t shoot or pass, the farther he drops. At least now some teams can squint and see potential and may draft him in the second round and keep him around for a year or two.

How the horsefeathers did Graham survive but not Fuller?

Needed a game like that. 9 players in double figures. PW career high. Team played defense.

Coby and Wendell benched. Big fan of the move. You need to evaluate if Lauri can be a long term piece and that’s tough to do playing with those two and PW. Might also help PW’s development too.

Where was Iowa -4.5 yesterday??

Yeah he doesn’t really do much out there, does he? Bulls had no answer for the tough Miami D and the refs swallowing their whistles both ways. They gotta do something about the starting 5. Maybe bench PW? They are just terrible together. And the start of the fourth quarter is always their downfall. By the time Lavine re-entered the lead was up to 10 or 11. Happens every time we play a tough team. Trade everyone except Lavine or go get Drummond for next to nothing and see if he can help anchor your defense and work offensively. I’m done watching Wendell.

If you can actually get quality guys to come here on 1 year deals you can then let them walk next year and receive comp picks in 2023 for them. Maybe. You have to replace them in 2022 then. Unless you can replace them in 2022 with mostly cut candidates or cheap contracts, you'll offset a lot of your debits. But Pace does seem to value the comp pick process, even though it took a few years to get it going... hope he's getting those consistent picks going forward. True. And there probably won’t be as many cuts next year with the cap exploding back up. But utilizing the comp system would be a good way to recoup some of the draft capital lost in a potential Russell Wilson trade.

I really wish we could get a resolution on Wilson so I could know what to root for. Like, if we're actually getting him, then yeah let's do every restructure and every cap saving move possible. Because of the league-wide cap issues, we're going to see a ton of quality players take 1 year deals in a good situation and re-enter the market next year. If we've got Wilson, we're a prime spot for those guys. Don't stress about losing depth because like you said we can probably replace guys for less, and maybe even upgrade while doing so. But if we're not getting a star at QB, I have little appetite for pushing current cap pain forward into future seasons. I don't want to make future seasons worse for the sake of putting a slightly better team around Teddy Bridgewater. If you can actually get quality guys to come here on 1 year deals you can then let them walk next year and receive comp picks in 2023 for them.

Oh yeah, Wilson makes it much harder on his line. Sacks are actually harder to get now because teams get the ball out so quickly. He holds onto the ball and runs around which can create pressure (rusher can see him, lineman can't, rusher adjusts to QB leaving the pocket while OL trying to protect the pocket). As for the picks, I'm cool with giving up 1sts. I don't want to give up 1sts, and 2nds and 3rds. I mean, you still gotta hit on the picks, but you have to have the picks to hit on. Three 1sts and a 2nd is different from 2 1sts and 2 3rds because of that extra 1st round pick. But I'd also rather give up 3 1sts instead of 2 1sts and 2 2nds in the next 2 years, leaving your first pick in the 80s or later for 2 straight years. Yea - pretty much in agreement. I look at the Mack deal for instance. Two firsts got the headlines, but it was really less than that with the pick swaps. Now obviously I expect a proven QB to be higher cost than Mack, but he is an older QB too. Taking whatever priors I can to triangulate it, and just using the pick trade chart, the net value should be something like a Number 1 overall pick plus a little extra. Obviously that involves some guesswork with future picks, but assume you price your picks at like 20-25 range. Meant to respond to this the other day. Number 1 overall pick is worth 3000 points. Bears pick #20 is 850 points. Future picks generally lose a round worth of value. That would put a 2022 #20 overall pick at 380 points. Obviously you get nowhere near 3000 points with your 2021, 2022, and 2023 first round picks. Even if you don’t discount the future picks being in the future, 3 firsts in the 20th pick range isn’t enough to get you to #1. Some may argue Russ isn’t worth #1 overall. That would be a good debate, but I’d say his value is at least equal to #1. Either way, 3 firsts doesn’t get it done alone. Roquan and others would have to be involved.

A tad disappointing considering the reports of 97-99. So which of these arms are we most excited to potentially become elite bullpen arms for the next few years?

But really you should be okay giving 3 firsts and 2-3 day 2 picks. That’s how important having a franchise QB is. You’d also have him on a good deal for the next 3 seasons.

Draft picks are overrated. Of course you trade 3 FRPs for Wilson or Watson

Because of this I would imagine the package is at least 3 first rounders and 2-3 second or third round picks. Probably get a few day 3 picks back in return to balance out the insane number of high picks going to Seattle. I usually fail miserably at predicting these things, but it feels like it should be less than that. It would probably include some players instead. Maybe Roquan and/or Johnson?

That is correct. Bears hits would be 19, 24, 27. I'm sure by 2023 you'd be negotiating an extension Because of this I would imagine the package is at least 3 first rounders and 2-3 second or third round picks. Probably get a few day 3 picks back in return to balance out the insane number of high picks going to Seattle.

Is it correct Bears would only be on the hook for 3 years $70M plus potential incentive bonuses? And Seattle would pay $39M in dead cap?

Can anyone explain how a post June 1 trade would affect Seattle’s cap? From my understanding, if traded now, the Seahawks would be on the hook for $39M, while only losing Russell’s $32M cap hit, resulting in a net deficit of $7M to this years cap. What happens if traded after June 1?

3rd quarter started bad but ended well. 4th quarter was just awful all around. Gotta cut out the 4th quarter iso ball and turnovers. Temple is also terrible.