It was pretty obvious a long time ago. It was obvious our top 3 pitchers would suck and our next 2 would get hurt? What else you got Kreskin? Z and Demp for sure, but I don't see Garza. He's been pretty awesome. That being said, your point stands. Well I meant collectively since everyone (except for the omniscent like gooney and Truffle (I HOPE WE LOSE EVERY GAME FOR A GOOD DRAFT PICK!)) figured our top 3 starters were locks to be above average at worst. And while Garza's peripherals have been phenomenal, they haven't translated to success on the mound as of yet. I definitely thought that pitching as a whole would be our strength. Nobody was ever going to confuse it with the Phillies or Giants rotations, but they should have been, and still should be very solid, especially if we had Wells and Cashner, top to bottom we were very solid. Add in the back of the pen, and our pitching was looking good. Also, of Samamrdzjia can continue to not be awful, Carpenter can come up and dominate like he has been in Iowa, and we can get Guzman back, that is a very nice pen.