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This morning's Tribune hinted that the White Sox might be interested in Roberts.

As long as you have a good, rational reason not to like a trade that would improve the Cubs. :lol:

That's what I'd like to see. Cleveland wants Jason Bay really bad and they haven't made an offer yet that Pittsburgh would be satisfied with. A 3 way deal that sends Bay to Cleveland, Peralta to the Cubs and major league ready players go to Pittsburgh would make a lot of sense, IMO. Cleveland has Cabrera to step in and play SS. Cubs could use a SS. Pittsburgh wants players that will, well, I've never really understood what Pittsburgh wants, so I'll just say a package of players. :D I totally agree with that deal, even if the Cubs don't make the Roberts deal. In fact, I would drop the Roberts' deal and send those players (Gallagher, Murton, Patterson) to the Pirates in this 3-way instead. SS is the position the Cubs most need to upgrade. It would be great to expand the deal to include Jason Michaels (maybe send Cleveland Marquis/Dempster or a young player), who can play all 3 OF positions and would be a RH bat off the bench. How About: Pirates get: Gallagher, Murton, Patterson, Theriot Indians get: Bay, Dempster/Marquis Cubs get: Peralta, Marte Soriano LF DeRosa 2B DLee 1B ARam 3B Fukudome RF Peralta SS Soto C Pie CF Bench: Michaels, Cedeno, Ward, Blanco, ????? =D> =D> =D> Just a few things here... 1. Did you want Marte or Michaels? Cause you put Marte in the actual trade proposal instead. Cause depending on if that's Damaso Marte or Andy Marte, that could change things quite a bit. 2. Any way you want to cut it, the Pirates would not be getting enough for Bay. 3. DeRosa shouldn't be batting #2. If we have to go with a semi-typical lineup (i.e. Lee not batting 2nd), Fukudome is our best option there. Damaso Marte. Fine, we'll put Fukudome 2nd, Peralta 5th, DeRosa 6th. As for the Pirates not getting enough for Bay, throw in Veal/Pignatello or tweak it however we need to tweak it to get it done. I still like this deal better than the Roberts deal.

That's what I'd like to see. Cleveland wants Jason Bay really bad and they haven't made an offer yet that Pittsburgh would be satisfied with. A 3 way deal that sends Bay to Cleveland, Peralta to the Cubs and major league ready players go to Pittsburgh would make a lot of sense, IMO. Cleveland has Cabrera to step in and play SS. Cubs could use a SS. Pittsburgh wants players that will, well, I've never really understood what Pittsburgh wants, so I'll just say a package of players. :D I totally agree with that deal, even if the Cubs don't make the Roberts deal. In fact, I would drop the Roberts' deal and send those players (Gallagher, Murton, Patterson) to the Pirates in this 3-way instead. SS is the position the Cubs most need to upgrade. It would be great to expand the deal to include Jason Michaels (maybe send Cleveland Marquis/Dempster or a young player), who can play all 3 OF positions and would be a RH bat off the bench. How About: Pirates get: Gallagher, Murton, Patterson, Theriot Indians get: Bay, Dempster/Marquis Cubs get: Peralta, Marte Soriano LF DeRosa 2B DLee 1B ARam 3B Fukudome RF Peralta SS Soto C Pie CF Bench: Michaels, Cedeno, Ward, Blanco, ????? =D> =D> =D>

First, how many upgrades at SS are readily available? Personally, I don't see any upgrades at SS as being available. We've kicked around the idea of Greene, but I don't remember seeing any serious speculation that he was available. If the Cubs get Roberts and Blanton (or the equivalent), they certainly should be favorites to win the NL Central and have a shot at the WS. As I have pointed out before, all that a GM can do is put together the best possible team on paper so that you can get to the playoffs. After that it's a crapshoot.

We already have a bunch of "insiders" except our "seemingly accurate inside information" tends to be in our imaginations. =D>

My interest in obtaining Cabrera is that he's a SS, which is a position of need for the Cubs. That's why there's all of the discussion about Greene from SD. Getting Roberts is an upgrade, but only a slight upgrade over the incumbent DeRosa, while Cabrera or Greene is a big upgrade over Theriot. As for which players the Cubs could offer the White Sox, it doesn't really matter because Kenny Williams still thinks his team is a contender this year. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I suggested that in another thread a while ago. How about Murton, Marshall, and Cedeno for Cabrera.

Padres probably ask for a little more, but that seems like a good trade. Here we are again, doing all of Hendry's work. How about changing it a little bit: Cubs get: Khalil Greene, Damaso Marte Padres get: Xavier Nady, Jack Wilson Pirates get: Chase Headley, Michael Barrett, Sean Gallagher, Ronny Cedeno, Eric Patterson The Padres are geting screwed in that deal. Giving up Greene, Headley, and Barrett for a platoon outfielder and an average shortstop? Let's add in Jack Morris to the Padres and the Pirates save a ton of money in the deal. You mean Matt Morris? And I really don't see what use the Padres would have for him with their rotation fairly set. Yeah, I meant Matt Morris. The Padres depth chart on ESPN only lists 4 starters and they have been looking at Prior. They would end up with a good corner OF, a decent replacement at SS, and a decent end-of-the rotation starter. Maybe the Bucs would send Bay instead of Nady, but I doubt it.

Padres probably ask for a little more, but that seems like a good trade. Here we are again, doing all of Hendry's work. How about changing it a little bit: Cubs get: Khalil Greene, Damaso Marte Padres get: Xavier Nady, Jack Wilson Pirates get: Chase Headley, Michael Barrett, Sean Gallagher, Ronny Cedeno, Eric Patterson The Padres are geting screwed in that deal. Giving up Greene, Headley, and Barrett for a platoon outfielder and an average shortstop? Let's add in Jack Morris to the Padres and the Pirates save a ton of money in the deal.

Padres probably ask for a little more, but that seems like a good trade. Here we are again, doing all of Hendry's work. How about changing it a little bit: Cubs get: Khalil Greene, Damaso Marte Padres get: Xavier Nady, Jack Wilson Pirates get: Chase Headley, Michael Barrett, Sean Gallagher, Ronny Cedeno, Eric Patterson

And it should have ended when it got off the topic, which was about 13 pages ago.

Not in the AL Central. The Tigers and Indians are way ahead of the Twins who are miles ahead of the White Sox and Royals. I think it's rather naive to say those teams would be "way ahead" of a Twins team that featured Santana, Bedard, and Liriano at the front of the rotation and an offense led by Mauer, Morneau, Cuddyer, and Young. The Twins will probably trade Santana, but even if they don't they will be a distant third behind the Tigers and Indians. Along with Mauer, Morneau, etc., you have the likes of Craig Monroe and Adam Everett.

Not in the AL Central. The Tigers and Indians are way ahead of the Twins who are miles ahead of the White Sox and Royals.

So much for your suggestion. Why is this argument still in the "Transaction" section since it has nothing to do with transactions or the title of this thread.

No matter what you think, if the Cubs are as successful this year as expected, I would think Hendry has a good shot at being rehired. Of course, there are different definitions of being "successful". If the new owner is a real "take charge" owner and comes in with a set idea of hiring certain front office people, then Hendry might be in trouble. I would think most of the ownership groups would probably want to keep him until things settled down. If by some miracle, the Cubs win the World Series, he would get a lifetime contract.

The Twins don't have the money for Bedard.

If Pie gets traded, you put Teahan in RF and Fukudome in CF. If we could just convince Soriano to play CF, we would be set. The earlier discussion on Murton and Teahan showed stats that were basically the same. If we need to add another prospect in addition to Marshall, Petrick/Pignatello, and Patterson to get Greinke, so be it.

How about offering the Royals Murton, Marshall, Petrick/Pignatello, and Patterson for Teahan and Greinke? Do we need to add another prospect? This would get the Cubs another lefty bat and a young #4 starter. It wouldn't solve speedy leadoff problem, but I think it would be a solid move.

I think that is one of the strengths of this team. Packaging some of these "spare" parts should get us an upgrade at SS or back-of-the-rotation starter. Marshall, Cedeno, and Murton are not only "moveable parts", but players who seem to be unwanted by the Cubs. I know we tend to build up our prospects, but I do believe that these three have a chance to have decent major league careers if they are given a chance to play and I can't believe there aren't some GMs that would love to have them.

The worst part of the Mitchell Report is the fact that all of the people that have been mentioned in this thread could very well be on steroids. Now you have players saying that since they weren't mentioned in the report that it "proves" they didn't take steroids. What a joke.

I think another strike against Marshall is that he's a lefty. I don't think Lou wants 3 lefties in the rotation again.

I mentioned expanding the trade talk in the Murton for Teahan to include Greinke. I like the idea of getting a young pitcher that has some experience that might reach full potential under Rothschild. What about Santana from the Angels? He should be cheap and doesn't seem to fit in their plans.

I wouldn't know, but isn't anabolic steroids illegal in this country? So are pot, cocaine, etc.

I'm thinking Murton and Cedeno will probably be traded. My thoughts on the bench would be Fuld/Pagan as sub OF, Blanco (sub C), DeRosa as all-around sub and pinch hitter, Ward as power lefty pinch hitter, Mench as power righty pinch hitter, and Cedeno (or another middle IF) as sub middle IF.