Wha?? Where did you get these? As far as I can tell, in the Brewers' case, 96-87= 9 (and, actually, as Derwood mentioned, they were probably more like a 90 win team last year based on their pythag).. In the Cardinals' case, 90-87=3 (and they were actually an 88 win team based on pythag). I guess my question is: where did you get 15 and 10 games from? Am I missing something? Yes, you are...I thought the Cards won 96 games (I read it on a forum) And I knew that the Brews beat them by 5 or 6 games. My error. 87 or 88 is not that out of line. #-o [-X You're not doing it right. Around here you don't admit you're error, you keep arguing about it using correct, but out of context, supporting stats and evidence to support your flawed reasoning. ;)