RonnieWooWooSanto

Ah yes. Just what the Cubs need to disrupt their one game win streak....a lefty!!!

I'm sure he'll pitch well for the Cards. They just need to make sure he behaves on the plane. :wink:

No, Dempster....... you are supposed to be raising trade value not walking guys, giving up hits, and blowing saves.

Pierre is helping his trade value. Now we need Dempster to up his value. And Hendry to actually be willing to make some moves.

Absolutely. And if Blanco were to start everyday somewhere he falls into that category with them. The younger the pitcing staff the better it is to have one of these guys catching.

Jose Reyes of the Mets hit his 12th triple tonight!!! :shock:

Pierre, Cedeno, Barrett and Bynum.

Mr. OBP himself.............Morgan Ensberg.

I was watching them last night and Hairston made a nice catch in left field. Tom Grieve the Ranger announcer called Hairston one top three defensive outfielders in the American League.

Neifi is 3-3 tonight!!! More playing time! :cry:

It is almost like Sammy Sosa is in my living room. :shock:

The intentional walk will back fire. Simply because it is the Cubs.

Steve Buchele's claim to fame is that he was roommates with John Elway at Stanford. :)

He's been a full-time catcher for 6 years, he's been a catcher for longer. He's got more innings behind the plate than career catcher Henry Blanco. He's got nearly as many major league innings behind the dish as Paul Lo Duca. Blanco sucks - thus never plays. Lo Duca has less than 4 "full" seasons (more than 91 games) in his career. Neither of these guys really support your argument. Blanco is considered one of the best defensive catchers in the game. His offense is the reason he does not play. His defensive prowess prevents any validity to the label of he "sucks". Well, I think his offense is so bad (until the last 2 weeks or so) that it outweighed whatever value he brought defensively. I don't think Blanco is a very good player and the fact that he's rarely been a starter does not support goony's argument about the number of innings that Barrett has played at C in his career. Is that better? So do you feel that Matheny, Yadier Molina, Ausmus, and even to a lesser extent Damian Miller are "not very good players"? These are all guys not known for their hitting and even have the luxury of consistent at bats unlike Blanco.

So waht was that? About 18 or 19 pitches for Oswalt to get the first six outs. He'll throw a complete game tonight. :cry:

He's been a full-time catcher for 6 years, he's been a catcher for longer. He's got more innings behind the plate than career catcher Henry Blanco. He's got nearly as many major league innings behind the dish as Paul Lo Duca. Blanco sucks - thus never plays. Lo Duca has less than 4 "full" seasons (more than 91 games) in his career. Neither of these guys really support your argument. Blanco is considered one of the best defensive catchers in the game. His offense is the reason he does not play. His defensive prowess prevents any validity to the label of he "sucks".

From baseballcrank.com: That sounds a bit too familiar for my taste.

The Tigers are winning with a pitching staff that is what the Cubs staff was supposed to be post 2003, and with guys who murder the ball and get on base. Having Leyland demand "guts" and "heart" means nothing. Going into this season, IIRC he had a sub .500 winning percentage. With teams that got rid of all their players. I don't think you can make a blanket statement like his record until you look at what he had to deal with. He won when he had players and when he lost the two teams Pitt and Florida had fire sales. He dealt with 1 season's worth of fire sale at FLA and had stacked teams in the late 1980's/early 90's with Pittsburgh. T The fact that he can only win with stacked teams and struggles with lesser talent means there's not much to his "hustle and heart" attributes. It means that he's subject to the team around him. And I don't think you can understate his career record when evaluating his effectiveness as manager. Plus, he went 72-90 in Colorado. He didn't even have the "heart" to stick around for another season with that team. He had Blanco and Neifi on that team. :shock:

That's not trading high, that's fleecing somebody. Trading high is trading at a point when you can get the highest return. You could trade Neifi Perez tomorrow for a B prospect and you'd be getting more than equal value, but that doesn't mean you traded high. Again - I guess we disagree. I'm not saying you fleece someone. I'm saying you're getting more than what a guy is worth based on recent performance or whatever else. Not every trade where one side pays more than a guy's actual value is a fleecing. And your Neifi example is irrelevant to the points I'm making; I've never suggested trading worthless players for good prospects. Trading JJ now or JP now would truly be "selling high" to me. Besides, if you trade someone for a player of essentially equal value, you haven't improved your team (unless that player plays a position of need and you're trading from a position of excess). The Cubs don't have a lot of solid hitting Cs, so trading Barrett only improves the team if you get more than he's worth. I don't think you will. Wow. Ok - sorry for my mischaracterization. So he's been catching for 6 years. For a 29 (near 30) year old, that's not all that long. Given that many Cs caught in HS if not before, that's probably at least 5 if not 10+ years of catching that he hasn't done relative to other ML Cs. So my point still stands: the sharp decline at 30 that someone pointed out earlier may not apply here. Is it possible for Barrett to decline much more from a defensive standpoint? He's not very good.

Eithier was part of the trade. Lofton was injured yesterday and removed from the game. I'm not sure how bad it is though. Plus, if they need a new centerfielder for next year this gives them a in with Pierre. Lofton was only signed for this year and I don't know if they want him again due to his age. I think most teams would want Pierre over Cruz Jr. Kemp is more of a corner outfielder? So the outfield would be RF Drew, CF Pierre. and LF Kemp. And Cruz Jr. off the bench. I was at yesterday's game, I'd be shocked if Lofton misses much time over that injury. My main point is Ethier isn't going anywhere for Pierre/Maddux. Thus, the Dodgers will still have an overflow of OFs and won't need Pierre. Kemp will be fine in CF for now, and the Dodgers will probably play him there as long as JD Drew is in RF (eventually, Kemp will have to move to RF - long-term he's a corner OF, for now he can handle CF). What do you think it would take from the Cubs to get Ethier?

Don't trade them unless we get a really, really, really good offer. These are 2 guys I want on my team in 2007. And to the White Sox and Cardinals, they should be 100% off-limits. Please give us one good, legitimate reason that makes sense to anyone beyond puberty. No, please don't. Let sleeping dogs lie. Yeah, we don't need that in this thread too. Please don't derail my thread. :lol:

Eithier was part of the trade. Lofton was injured yesterday and removed from the game. I'm not sure how bad it is though. Plus, if they need a new centerfielder for next year this gives them a in with Pierre. Lofton was only signed for this year and I don't know if they want him again due to his age. I think most teams would want Pierre over Cruz Jr. Kemp is more of a corner outfielder? So the outfield would be RF Drew, CF Pierre. and LF Kemp. And Cruz Jr. off the bench.

The Cubs do not have a nucleus of position players, their position players suck. They need to put together a lineup and a pitching staff. The nucleus being center..........Lee, Ramirez, and Barrett. That is a nucleus that can be built around. Especially by a team with money. Now the choices they make to add to that nucleus is another story. This is assuming Ramirez is just having one bad season.

wow...what an idiot. It's also funny how he includes Jones and Murton in the nucleus. It's even more funny how he says they compliment "a quality pitching staff." I don't think he is referring to the Cubs currently having a "quality pitching staff". I think he is saying the Cubs currently have the nucleus in terms of position players(the ones he mentioned) now they need to put together a quality pitching staff to complement.

wow...what an idiot. Isn't that what happened in Montreal? They played him at catcher and third base and he couldn't just focus on one which made it difficult for him.