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Wouldn't it be funny if Mark Cuban bought the naming rights and didn't change the name? Boy, that'd be a "game, set, match" with this crowd.

I would be willing to wager that only the youngest players actually "revere" their managers. i didn't say "revere" I know you didn't, but I don't really see how it means anything different from what you're suggesting (unless I'm grossly misunderstanding what you're suggesting). In fact, I see a lot of baseball players get mad when their managers 'cross' them. To say that managers wield enormous influence over the players like a father figure or even leader seems pretty detached from reality. Sometimes it may be the case, but usually guidance and leadership comes from teammates, and not from the guy who is usually hanging out in his office.

yikes I know, and with such an important game on the line too

I would be willing to wager that only the youngest players actually "revere" their managers. What? Umm, it's quite plausible that the Patriots ran up scores for the sole reason of carrying away individual accolades. If Tony LaRussa would have not been found sleeping in his car, or if he would have had a 'chat' with Josh Hancock, that player might not have gotten blitzed and plowed into a tow truck on the highway? COME THE [expletive] ON You do realize that suspending or otherwise seriously disciplining Josh Hancock for showing up at the ballpark hungover had at least a 50/50 chance of making the situation worse, right? Cause, all of the sudden a person with a very serious disease now has a whole lot of free time and a bunch of disappointment and anger swirling around in his head. That doesn't mean there was nothing that could or should have been done. I'm just trying to point out the fact that this essentially amounts to monday morning quarterbacking, in addition to being holier-than-thou garbage.

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I was trying to point out the irony of Cubs fans complaining en masse that cardinals teams in recent history have been "overperforming", while on the other hand attempting to claim Tony LaRussa is a bad manager. it just doesn't square up logically. I wasn't saying that either perception is true or false, just that they don't jive when held together. I just didn't didn't do a very good job of explaining that. That being said, "genius" is a bit of an overstatement. But I think when held against the field, he's certainly one of the smarter guys in the game.

I'll believe it when I see it.

I certainly wouldn't go, that place is just unsafe. Its in the ghetto. I went there once for an interleague game and just about got knifed in the parking lot before the game. lol

Except you make far more money in the long run if you own the building. Fixing the thing isn't just flushing money down the toilet, it's an investment. The state owning Wrigley would reduce the profitability. It's a dumb idea. You may be right, but won't the terms of the lease have a lot to do with the profitability of the deal? What if the state paid for the rehab and the upkeep, but the Cubs got to keep all of the advertising and concession revenues? Wouldn't that be a good deal for the new owner? Perhaps, but it doesn't really seem fair to the taxpayers of Illinois to have to fork over money in order to ensure favorable lease conditions. It's just a bad idea any way you shake it.

Except you make far more money in the long run if you own the building. Fixing the thing isn't just flushing money down the toilet, it's an investment. The state owning Wrigley would reduce the profitability. It's a dumb idea.

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Then go north to Milwaukee. The Brewers don't completely hate us, I don't think. Go half and half. 40 games or so in Milwaukee, and 40 games in the Cell. What? Playing any more games than they would normally play in Milwaukee makes no sense. I think it'd be pretty awesome to play a season in the cell. "U.S. Cellular Field: Home of the Chicago Cubs". That would have to sting a little for the "good guys".

Steroids were not a new invention in the late 80s. In fact, they were still illegal in the U.S. for nonprescription use (and still are). Turning a blind eye to needle use of any kind in your clubhouse is even more ridiculous. Seriously. Two dudes went out of their way to obtain something that they knew had side-effects and was illegal to obtain without a prescription (even though they very well might have obtained one somehow), and you're blaming the guy who makes the lineup. So you don't see any correlation between people prone to heavy drinking with free access to liquor and potential drunk driving. Huh, interesting. Not really, seeing as how the heavy drinking was occurring after he left the stadium. Continue to twist the realities of the situation to fit your witch hunt. Josh Hancock died because he was a moron, not because there were free Budweisers in the clubhouse. If he's only there to win, he should enable steroid and other PED use because that will increase the chance of winning. The well being of his team and its image doesn't matter. Like I said in another thread, all this is is fans (in this case you) tossing around clumsy moral judgments because it makes you feel superior to those who are involved in difficult situations where the "right" course of action isn't necessarily clear. Just admit that the only reason you go around accusing TLR of being an enabler is because he manages a baseball team that you hate. Hmm... I just thought of something. What would you call the millions of fans who spent billions of dollars to see these players who were obviously inflating their bodies somehow? Innocent bystanders? That's convenient.

I think opposing teams do more research than that when evaluating players. I don't think their opinion of Matt Murton is going to drastically change because Lou said some nice things about him. Do you really think Angelos would come running into MacPhail's office and say, "Andy! I read in the Tribune that Lou said Murton is a great option to sub and has some pop off the bench! Let's pull the trigger on the Roberts trade!" Stop using your brain. The only reasonable response to anything Lou Piniella says is to TOTALLY FREAK OUT!!!

THIS IS SO RIDICULOUS. Do you not see how incredibly hypocritical you are? Have you ever taken an aspirin for a headache during the workday? Take a pharmaceutical for psychological condition? Any number of things we do to enhance our ability to do something beyond our natural means? FREAKING CHEATER

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What exactly would you have liked him to do? Wrestle the needle from Jose's hands and give him a lecture on the dangers of using a substance he probably wasn't even aware existed? This is so ridiculous. No, they eliminated it because a bunch of idiot fans think that the reason Josh Hancock is dead is because there was beer in the clubhouse. That's what the medical staff is for. He's there to make sure the team is winning. Period.

Maybe its just Iowans :-" not cool :lol: Just joking Iowans, but seriously, I cant believe there are people this dumb. yeah that's pretty ironic

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at least i wasn't being a cardinal fan while i was out of town at least he isn't being you.

says the guy who took 48 hours to make a pick once.

i'm not sure, but i find myself asking that question frequently. I think it's pretty clear what my point is. Blaming LaRussa for the deaths of players and for steroid use is one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard. Hence, the McDonalds analogy. If these players are behaving dangerously outside of TLR's realm of responsibility, then there's really nothing he can do about it. We live in a society that, in general, is pretty cavalier about drug/pharmaceutical/alcohol use. This is going to be reflected in any enterprise our society is going to engage in, regardless as to whether or not we glorify those people or the things they're doing. Being shocked that these players were injecting themselves with whatever to attempt to get ahead or partying hard after games strikes me as not only completely ignorant and unrealistic, it's DUMB. Furthermore, blaming Tony LaRussa for decisions made by the players in an environment/league/industry/society where NO ONE WAS DOING ANYTHING OR TELLING ANYONE IT WAS A BAD IDEA is just monumentally idiotic. It's ignoring context in a situation where context determined everything. Plus, the heaving of clumsy moral judgments kind of reminds me of monkeys in the zoo tossing around their crap. It's a display to let the other monkeys know you're around, but ultimately you're just taking a dump in your hand and trying to hit something with it. Kind of like following me around, failing to comprehend my sentences, and then calling them stupid.

uh, what? if the guy at mcdonald's is behaving dangerously while on the job, then your point has merit. otherwise, it's stupid. Just curious, what was my point?

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