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Pitchtrax and this ump don't seem to agree.

So I know I casually dismissed college baseball in the bat flip thread, but this is pretty damn cool. http://www.snappytv.com/tc/2137106

It's impossible to objectively measure, and no matter your feelings toward MJ, most of us were around for that. It's hard to see MJ's level of fame and fathom someone being more internationally recognized. And I honestly think that's coming from a standpoint of seeing Jordan's fame in America. Again, Jordan is globally famous, but I think some of the names brought up, like Tiger or Messi or Pele, seriously trump him along those lines. So much of Jordan's fame around the world is actually his brand's fame. I think a big part of that is, unlike those other figures (and Ali), Jordan never transcended his sport or his products. He was and is hugely famous for being amazing at basketball and his work as a pitchman, but that's "it." Some of it is because he didn't really try to be more than that, but Tiger didn't really either, but he had so much of thrust on him because of his heritage and because of what was seen as the historical nature of him breaking into and dominating the whitest and most traditional of the global sports. I think we're using different measures here. You're giving Ali extra "famous points" because of fame from his activism, which is fine...he was clearly famous for that. But then discounting Jordan for being famous because of his "brand". Which I guess is also fine, it's just why there's no consensus here. Are we measuring fame as a result of just sport? Or fame overall? I just don't think we're all "counting" the same things.

lol - lazier than even the Cards & Dodgers guys. To be fair, that's from the SBNation Nats site. The Nats themselves may have tweeted it in a better format. EDIT: yep.

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I think it's really tough because we're judging it based on reports of folks (old sportswriters and reporters) that are inclined to glamorize Ali's fame too. I sure wasn't around to see any of Ali's fights. I'm honestly surprised this even turned out to be such a contentious thing; I just assumed he was one of those rare figures everyone though was on another level of fame/global awareness. It's impossible to objectively measure, and no matter your feelings toward MJ, most of us were around for that. It's hard to see MJ's level of fame and fathom someone being more internationally recognized.

that brings up the massive difference in the sports themselves. Boxing was huge at the time and Ali was the biggest name, but how many of his fights were truly global events? Maybe a half a dozen? Jordan had exponentially more games, and even if you just count things like series clinching games, his comeback, finals games, dunk contests and olympics, he was out there for world wide consumption far more often. I think Jordan competes simply on the globally famous question. He may not be as popular or beloved or respected, but those are different questions. But the dude is quite famous. I don't know what tell you; I was out of the country for most of that, and it was definitely popular, but nowhere near that "holy [expletive], everyone stop what you're doing/did you see what Jordan did last night?" I mean, I'm obviously not arguing that Jordan wasn't global famous; he clearly was and is. Ali just was on a crazy different level. Yeah, that is hugely influenced by the difference in their sports and the eras they were at their peak; Jordan's arguably the reason that basketball started spreading globally like it has, whereas Ali benefited by being the greatest at a sport that was already cemented as a global phenomenon and was basically at its peak in popularity. Whatever the reasons, Ali somehow ended up on a level you usually just see for religious figures or world leaders. I think it's really tough because we're judging it based on reports of folks (old sportswriters and reporters) that are inclined to glamorize Ali's fame too. I sure wasn't around to see any of Ali's fights.

Eh, I was gonna say screw the stats, give me Javy....but I forgot it was Scherzer pitching. I'll allow it.

Michael Jordan Not even close. Pele is the only athlete I can think of who might have compared to Ali at the top of his fame. I disagree that it's not close. I think at their peaks, Jordan and Tiger Woods were both very close in international fame.

More Baez less Cogs plz.

Olney doesn't think that Schwarber or Baez would be an unreasonable ask for Andrew Miller...... http://i.imgur.com/Qi23Xm1.gif

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It seems like the Blackhawks haven't played since Xmas.

Yep...I watch the Cubs as much as I can, but I was at the pool yesterday, enjoying the weather.

No college sports are real.

4-0 since you said this. Dammit Duke! That's cute. I remember when we were 6 over... on April 15. Hey, don't short them. They were 6 over on April 13th.

Damn it, Jerry!

Except why not just fax it? I'm at work, the equipment is just down the aisle, It works just as well, and I have little need for the app other than this one time a year. I guess I assumed you didn't have a fax and had to go somewhere to do it. If you have a fax at your home, then you are right, that would be just as easy. Nah, I just work physically at a different company than the vendor company technically employs me. It's still an office building.

I work as an external employee for another company. Once a year, there's a document I need to sign for my company. They email me the document. I print it, sign it, and fax it back. It's easier than messing with going to a scanner and creating a pdf to email. Just get a free scanner app, take a picture of the document and the app turns it into a pdf for you to email. Super easy and fast. Except why not just fax it? I'm at work, the equipment is just down the aisle, It works just as well, and I have little need for the app other than this one time a year.

Everybody is gonna ask for the moon from the Cubs right now.

I work as an external employee for another company. Once a year, there's a document I need to sign for my company. They email me the document. I print it, sign it, and fax it back. It's easier than messing with going to a scanner and creating a pdf to email.