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I was at the last Chiefs game that he pitched at. Then he proceeded to come up and have all of his issues again. I refuse to get too excited about him this time. And good lord he looks thin.

It's worth noting that quality > quantity. And quantity does not always mean quality.

2 games with each catcher since Kendall got here I think.

Well see, Shawn Estes had a 5.73 ERA with the cubs that year and never had an ERA under 4 for a year. Which gets back to my point, he's not a solid No. 2 or 3 pitcher, but he's pretty solid for a no. 5. well, see, Marquis has gone 6 innings three times in last eleven starts. He got off to a good start but the ERA has been steadily rising. In short, he is not reliable to keep the team in the game. He is also likely to end the season with an ERA well above 4 - probably above 5. The offense is not going to score 5+ everyday. Well see, I'm not sure there's gonna be anyone available on the trade block that's going to pitch any better. And it's not like Milwaukee has gangbusters pitching... ERA's of the Brewers starters Yovani Gallardo - 2.34 (only 34.2 innings though) laudio Vargas - 4.47 Dave Bush - 4.84 Jeff Suppan - 4.92 Chris Capuano - 4.96 That's why Sheets is so important for them. Nobody else that's started significantly has an era under 4! Meanwhile we have: Lilly - 3.58 Z - 3.69 Hill - 3.70 Marquis - 3.92 Marshall - 3.43 (Only 57.2 innings) The only starting staffs in baseball with an overall better ERA than the Cubs are San Diego and Oakland. I just have a hard time nit-picking our starting staff right now. Bad outings are going to happen. Marquis has had a few, no question. And maybe he really is our #5 starter right now. I think there's a lot of teams right now that would take a 3.92 ERA and 7-5 record out of their #5 starter.

If they indicted him now, I wonder if Selig would suspend him prior to him breaking the record?

A rumor that NSBBers are actually in favor of? Well wonders never cease! :D

Yes plz.

wrong. lol you sure showed him Greatest argument of all time. I find myself, even as a mod, unable to resist it's lure.

Yeah, but have you seen his average or RBI rate lately? Please don't mistake that observation for any real criticism on my part. I love A-Ram. Just something noticeable is all.

Ramirez has struck out at a lot bigger rate since the AS break than before...at least it seems that way.

Hilarious.

In all seriousness, until Jones cools off. Jones is hitting .357/.424/.464 in July. The Cubs aren't going to hand Pie the CF job back unless and until Jones cools off. In all seriousness, Jones wasn't hot when Pie was getting jerked in and out of the lineup, and up and down from the minors. To stick with the Cubs, you better be good quickly. If you take time to find your stride, you're out of luck.

That or raise his trade value just enough before the deadline. To do that, you would have to assume the Cubs were content with Pagan/Pie in CF, I just can't make that assumption. There were content with it a few weeks back when he was nearly traded to the Marlins.

He pitched too much out of the bullpen. He was 6-5.

Did they say anything about the severity of Ward's injury? Is this just a couple week thing or is it a couple month thing?

You journalists and your nitpicking for "accuracy"... :P

It proably makes up for a game where he pitched good and got no run support somewhere along the line.

Then we'd have to make a master thread for A-Rod, Tejada (back when that was popular), Griffey, Jacque, Eyre...etc. If this thread dies off on it's own naturally, and Dunn discussion picks back up in the future for some reason, there's no problem with a new thread.

Nope that's it. Didn't Sammy get a lot of that too? Soriano deserves it this season. He's having a good year.

Maybe it's the pessimist in me, but this part of the Trib article scares me... Anyone else worried it could suddenly reappears as suddenly as it disappeared? Sorry to bring negativity into this thread.

Spurred on by this topic I went ahead and reinstalled AIM for the first time in at least a few years...no more little yellow running dude...lol

Wow...what was the surgery he came back from before? I thought that was TJ... EDIT: Sorry hardcorecubfan, I edited the thread title to capitalize...it was driving me nuts.

It's amazing how popularity loosens nsbb guidelines. Yeah, some people on here can be dicks and everyone just looks the other way. The next version of the message board will have the ability for posters to "report" posts that are inappropriate or in violations of the guidelines. Until then, we have to go by what the mods see, or what is PM'd to us. I can't speak for other mods, but I haven't been online in a few hours, so I hadn't seen any of this. And I sure didn't get any PM's on the issue. We deal with things as we see them, but like you, we're only human. And as I've always said, just because you don't see a mod post about it in a thread, doesn't mean a problem isn't being dealt with by PM.

OK guys, listen up. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a rumor being posted on this message board, as long as it's clearly labeled as such. The thread title says it's a rumor. The initial post says it's a rumor. So lay off. And I don't care how many posts you have or don't have. I don't see any reason for the amount of grief that is being thrown around in this thread. So lets stop the pissing match.

There shouldn't be. He's been our best player for 3 years. Best position player. I'd argue Big Z as the best Cubs player though during that time period. Z only plays every 5 days though. I'll take Aramis.