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  1. Elrhino
    Heck, even the same team ... If the Cubs had traded for Corey Patterson off another team using some career minor leaguers and took on $3 million for this kind of production, the same people would be heading the Corey Patterson Sucks bandwagon. Its because he came up through this system, somehow that trumps objective evaluation. They've followed his box scores through the majors. They went to bed with grandiose dreams. They can't bring themselves to recognize this is a poor man's Preston Wilson. You can make an animated .gif of another player's head poppking out of a toilet and its a riot, but heaven forbid you say the least critical thing about the beloved .270 OBP player who's just trying as hard as he can but them mean ole' Wrigley fans are hurting his wittle, bitty feelings. Corey is the classic toolsy player who doesn't know what to do when his tools can't save him. The only thing he knows how to do is to get more aggressive, depend more on his physical abilities. This is the Moneyball chapter of Billy Beane as a minor league player. There's been a thousand before him, and there will be a thousand after him.
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    If you were to scrutinize a player with a .267 OBP to the smallest detail, we'd have to devote the entire board to it. There's not enough hours in the day to scrutinize all the details of Corey's game. Truly, he's a very crappy baseball player by any objective measure and offers not shortage of ammunition. All those other guys you mentioned are trashed on a routine basis on this board. The difference between them and Corey is they don't have a group of apologists shamelessly making excuse after excuse for them.
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    :lol: :lol: The excuse making is hysterical. :lol: :lol: Does Coopertown have a place for the the unluckiest player in the history of baseball?
  4. Elrhino
    Ugh, correct me if I'm wrong, but Hill wasn't included in BA's Top 100 2005 prospects. And he barely cracked the Top 10 in the Cubs organization on Callis' list in February, earning a #10 ranking. He had a nice first half of the season on the farm (old for his level of competition), and now people want to act like he's a top of the rotation prospect. Since when? Comparing Hill to Carlos Zambrano and Randy Johnson is ridiculous. Both Zambrano and Randy Johnson were considered to be super blue chip prospects. Hill has never been considered a super blue chipper by anyone other than starry eyed homers.
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    I don't think the Cubs overvalued him, because he's never really been seen as a top prospect by anyone other than stary-eyed Cub fans. Besides, the overall lack of trades around the league suggest that it was just a poor market for trades overall. Its not like everyone else was getting what they wanted, and stingy Hendry missed out.
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    Makes sense. Corey hasn't had to earn a call up in his entire career. Why start now? I just don't want to hear one single person who supports this ever lecture anyone on OBP.
  7. Elrhino
    It just came down from ESPN, suspended for steroids.
  8. Elrhino
    I think the Shawn Estes comparisons are accurate. I think he'll likely look very good his first few times around the rotation, but as hitters and advanced scouting become more familiar with him the more likely he'll settle in as a 4th or 5th spot in the rotation kind of guy and stay there for the remainder of his career. I would have no problem using a 4th or 5th in the rotation type of guy to land a All Star caliber positional player in trade. There are much bigger flaws with this team than the dropoff from Rich Hill to Glendon Rusch.
  9. Elrhino
    Yep, especially one of their good SS prospects backlogged behind Young. Any package that includes Hill for Soriano isn't a good one, IMO - not when we already have Walker at 2B and Murton in LF. Hill's currently in OUR rotation for cripes sakes! I guess we could move either Mitre or Rusch into the 5th spot, if either are still here after all the dealing is done, but I still don't want to give up Hill for a positional player that we already have an adequate one for. Now if Hill were required to make a trade for Manny go through....... that would take some thinking. I'd consider Hill, Walker & Rusch for Soriano, Mench & a prospect. Yep, especially one of their SS prospects currently stuck behind Young. I'd be very disappointed in Hendry if he couldn't get the better of Hart in a trade.
  10. Elrhino
    The Rangers sent their top scout to watch Hill pitch today according to the dallasnews.com
  11. Elrhino
    Could you imagine the vitriol that would be hurled at Garland the past 7 years while he struggled along at .500? Cubs fans would have run him out of town long before he gained All Star status. I don't know, they've put up with 7 years of Kerry Wood being little more than a .500 pitcher rather patiently. Wrigely Field fans have earned a reputation for being many things, vitriolic is not one of them. Achoholic, perhaps. Hill was facing a team who had never seen him before. Let's wait until teams have faced him a couple of times before we bust out with the Bly and Zito comparisons. Austin Kearns has been ranked as high been a Top 15 prospect on BA's Top 100. Rich Hill has never been ranked in the Top 100, and didn't even make the Cubs Top 10. They are the same age, and thus far neither of them have done anything but put up some nice AAA numbers.
  12. Elrhino
    To be fair to Neifi, he has been asked to bat out of place in the lineup, including leadoff .... which, from my understanding, is a task so unfair and taxing to a player's psyche that few, if any, ever recover from the unspeakable torment. Would you please light a candle and say a little prayer for Neifi tonight?
  13. Elrhino
    Though Hill has done nothing to merit the suggestion that he will be as insignificant as Bobby Hill or Brendan Harris so far. He threw a lot of pitches tonight, but gave up just 2 ER in 5 IP. You couldn't ask for much more from a spot starter. For those that tend to grossly over-value this organizations' prospects, Bobby Hill and Brendan Harris were hardly considered insignificant. Sample size of 1 game aside, the fact that Hill has never been considered one of this organizations top prospects by Callis or anyone else is telling. Just ignoring his questionable tools, in his minor league career he's puts up equally amazing and apalling stats. Amazing k9, appalling w9 and a rather poor whip for a prospecty of his age. If one were the type to overvalue Cub prospects, it would be very easy to just focus on the k9 and conveniently overlook the complete evaluation.
  14. Elrhino

    Amazin' A's

    Elrhino replied to JC's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk

    Beane is a very good general manager, but he was one-uped by a better one in the Hudson trade.
  15. Elrhino
    I think the HIll/Estes comparison is pretty spot on. Luckily, Hendry seems to have a very good sense of our most over-valued prospects are, so if not Kearns then I certainly hope Hill will go the way of Bobby Hill, Hee Seop, Brendon Harris and Dubois and is traded for some type of corner outfield bat to mend this mockery of a major league outfield JH has assembled in the last 12 months.
  16. Elrhino
    Probably not much. Dubois has never been considered a top prospect by anyone. He's never been listed among the top 100 prospects in baseball. Callis had him listed as the 10th best prospect in the Cubs system this winter. Together with Kelton, they greated a great glut of AAAA 1B/DH in our system, considering there's not really even enough room for 1, much less 2. I also disagree that the Cubs have shown the habit of trading players well below their value. Looks to me like they got grand larceny for Bobby Hill and Hee Seop Choi.
  17. Elrhino
    Agreed. Dubois was always overvalued. This is a swap of two flawed players, who's strengths better fit what their new clubs need.
  18. Elrhino
    Lets say there are two weeks to go in the season and Lee is in the lead for the Triple Crown with ARam breathing right down his neck for the HR and RBI title. If the Cubs were out of contention, would you condone benching A-Ram to ensure Lee got the Triple Crown?
  19. Elrhino
    You get the feeling that Farnsworth is the type of guy who always wants it to be known that he's the biggest guy in the room, and lives for situations like that. I would have liked to see Sisco and Farnsy square off in a Battle of the Giants.
  20. Elrhino
    The most hopefull thing is that with Hairston and Walker at the top of the order, its easily the best everyday lineup we've put on the field this year.
  21. Elrhino
    For the sake of encouraging different viewpoints and new voices, I think there are more mature ways to express disagreement than calling another's ideas "stupid", but that's just me.
  22. Elrhino
    If you can't "prove" that Dusty helped Ramirez and Lee, then consequently you really can't "prove" that he ruined anyone either. I think its somewhat revisionist history to claim that its always been a foregone conclusion that Aramis would be an All Star caliber player or Derek Lee would be a Superstar caliber player. In fact, I remember some pretty strong and vocal opinions against both players ever being either when the Cubs aquired them in trade.
  23. Elrhino
    How else would you prove it? Amazing to me that the person who questions the prevailing groupthink of this board gets scolded for his or her condescending tone, but stuff like this from the "regulars" seems to pass rather frequently without even a mumble.
  24. Elrhino
    Any manager that cares about winning would not bench a player with an 1.000 OPS in the last month.
  25. Elrhino
    I wonder how many of those criticizing the organization for rushing Corey up were the ones clamoring for a Corey promotion in in 2000.
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