DiamondMind

Because a lot of pitchers can have a good half-season before scouting reports come together.

Do we need it more or less than posters like you that contribute nothing other than a childish attitude and some imagined sense that they're actually witty? Seriously IMB, what do you bring to this forum factually? Anything? I want to know what percentage of your 15,000 posts aren't [expletive] one liners. What's the over/under on that?

Sarcasm and elitism aside, I already made mention that the only reason I have personally to believe in Rich is the one season. That was kind of my point. Was that one season enough to convince people he can come back at equal or better value, or is he done? It was a simple question, and honestly your response pisses me off. Just really no need for the sarcastic attitude. It doesn't make you look good. If you believe that Rich's '07 is the only sign that he was any good then you're not going to be satisfied with anyone's response. Ok, well, would you be kind enough to give me other reasons? 99% of what I do know bout Rich came from that singular season. Then you're not well enough informed to be having a serious discussion about Rich Hill. I know so little about Rich that I spent way too much time researching him on the web last night while bored, than I planned to make a topic today, and did. Hoping for information and opinions from ones smarter than I, I got a bunch of tongue in cheek jokes about who knows what. Isn't this forum better than this? Doesn't anyone talk about the issues? Or do we just let a few posters that Im not going to name LITTER AND CLUSTER EVERY THREAD with inane one liners, petty arguments ,single line stupid soap-dropping jokes..........OR MAYBE when a non-regular has an honest quesion, we could answer it with tact and intelligent. NAHHHHHH

Maybe its me, but its really humorous that the only replies this thread has received is arguing over if the poster has the credentials to ask the question in the first place. ---Is there a form I need to fill out first? In every single reply, its been sarcasm, debating the meaning of the word elitism, and general combative attitude. So in conclusion, I've learned nothing about Rich. Nothing. I have learned that a select few here are concerned more with thei e-peen than any cubs goings-on.

Sarcasm and elitism aside, I already made mention that the only reason I have personally to believe in Rich is the one season. That was kind of my point. Was that one season enough to convince people he can come back at equal or better value, or is he done? It was a simple question, and honestly your response pisses me off. Just really no need for the sarcastic attitude. It doesn't make you look good. If you believe that Rich's '07 is the only sign that he was any good then you're not going to be satisfied with anyone's response. Ok, well, would you be kind enough to give me other reasons? 99% of what I do know bout Rich came from that singular season.

Well, I did take a minimal stance that of this minute in time, today, I dont see Rich contributing to the Cubs organziation anymore. So are there any other conflicting viewes? Some saying he is a dead horse, some saying one pitch rich can rise from the ashes of VWL to rejoin the Cubs People always argue semantics, especially with sports. Cant be avoided. But I certainly would never try to start arguments. Disucssions, argumemnts...two different things. And thats really why I didn't appreciate TmT's first reply to this thread. Factually devoid of any kind of hard number made arguments, what we got instead , was three lines on a post with zero purpose. I'd delete it, if I could. Pisses me off if the up and ups uses less-posting members threads as test toys or whatever.

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Sarcasm and elitism aside, I already made mention that the only reason I have personally to believe in Rich is the one season. That was kind of my point. Was that one season enough to convince people he can come back at equal or better value, or is he done? It was a simple question, and honestly your response pisses me off. Just really no need for the sarcastic attitude. It doesn't make you look good.

What do you suppose they do? They're not going into next year with Hill being counted on, they won't get much in return for him, he makes a small salary, and for whatever chance (albeit small) that he does get close to where he was, he has a higher ceiling. They are handling it correctly as far as how they are handling Hill now, but they have ask themselves whether or not they could've done something differently in the off-season from '07 to '08. I have no idea what your post is trying to prove beyond the obvious. I don't think my post was trying to prove anything. I was merely curious if other people shared my dread, or were optimistic about Rich. Seems to be a mix of both. As for what to do with Rich? I have no idea. He's old enough to obviously not be considered a rookie, but yet there he is in VWL with Aragua with all the 20-somethings. He just seems to be treading water.

Disagree. Pitching coaches usually don't make good psychologists.

Prove it. Tell me why. And don't tell me how old he is, during your explanation.

We really should have the funeral for him, to be polite. After reading today that he again got shelled in winter league, for his Aragua club, I'm finally ready to put the stake in Rich. With questionable mental makeup, there's absolutely nothing that leads me to believe that Rich can turn this around. We've seen that he can be a fairly successful major league pitcher, but only through one season. Everything else however has pointed to that being a fluke season. He's done, game over. I have more faith in freakin Gooz than Hill anymore.

In this series: Rays 29, Red Sox 5

9 games? seriously? you dont think its usually obvious who deserves to win after 4 victories against another team?

Maybe I'm just a prick, but I'm prepared to pass the same judgment on those folks. thats not being a prick, thats pretending to be god to judge and shun them

my two cents? re-sign dempster and make an effort to sign derek lowe.

Im done with Chicago sports I swear to christ

simple post pattern that cut through the zone /sigh

come on line, get those hands up

Bears are pulling a Loney Game One

I hate squib kicks

Unbelievable

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