When was the last time you where in Pittsburg? I was there last year for a few Cub games over the couse of a weekend. The city is alive and well. The downtown is thriving and they have new shopping and tourism attractions. IMO, the problem is that they haven't been good in a long time. If the Steelers can sell out Heinz field, the Pirates can sell out PNC. Why would I want to go to Pittsburgh? Yikes! So what, they threw a bunch of government money to bring alive downtown. So did Cincy. It still doesn't change the fact that they're both old economy cities. Both places should be one sport towns. Send the baseball franchises to the East or West Coast or to Chicago. whatever. I just find it funny (not really) that you would bag on a place you know nothing about. The old economy you talk about was gone a long time ago. But to each his own I guess. Yes, it's gone and what has replaced it besides a bunch of government money??? I've taken quite a few economics classes and read often, I'm not just wingin it here.... They don't have much of a shot going against the big dogs, NY, Boston, SoCal, Chicago & Houston. The Cardinals survive on a rabid fan base, good management & tons of luck. For the most part, baseball's a rich man's game. They need a salary cap. But, that still doesn't address the issue about competetiveness of small market teams, which has become a facet of this discussion. Why don't they have much of a shot? The Marlins have no fan base and are repeatedly juggling their payroll to cut costs. And, if you are dismissing Oakland simply because they have Beane, that seems unfair. The Pirates have as much of a chance as anyone to land a Beane-type GM if they chose to go that route. Cleveland has been growing competetively for two years now. If you're waiting for them to be one hit wonders from 2005, not only was it not applicable for this year, but 2006 should be another good year. Competetiveness is more a function of an organization than fan base or revenue. Higher revenue should make it easier in theory to be competetive, but it neither guarantees competetiveness, nor does a lack of revenue preclude competetiveness.