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FYI snowing northwest of Wrigley

STEEEEEEEEEEEEK!

Morgan Ensberg = Richie Cunningham

Hold em to 1 here Lilly.

B.G.O.U.S.U.C.K.

<--- tired of hearing MLB complain about the snow in Cleveland. Sick and tired.

Never want to hear of anyone getting hurt, but isn't it about time the cardinals experienced an injury to a key member of their rotation? I sincerely hope he's ok, but I'm not going to shed a tear for the rival that just won the world series.

Again, let the record state that I'm a season ticket holder, have been since '97. I'm a fan of the franchise, not the park.

I've never felt threatened in any ballpark. What happened to you?

Not really. A majority of the people who love Wrigley have seen games in other places, and can legitimately say that the new parks aren't even close. I have been to probably 1/2 of the newer parks, including the wonders that are Baltimore and Philly. NOT EVEN CLOSE. They dream of being as "baseball" as Wrigley is. It's about baseball, baseball by its nature is a game of history. I also believe it should be watched CAREFULLY, for the nuances that often are the deciding factors in the end... I travel for my job and try to see games when I can. Safeco is nice, as is Turner Field, AT&T Park is fantastic. All of which are better places to see a ballgame than Wrigley IMO.

Get no-beer tickets. Or maybe not. I do enjoy the suds, and they enjoy me.

Seconded. I'll take it one step further as well. Lets say you take your four year old to a ballgame and the people sitting in your section are loud, annoying and full of profanity? Would it be nice to be able to take your son to other parts of the park to enjoy the game? It happens

Me too. I agree with you and I think the new owners should move the Cubs from the exciting and always vibrant Wrigleyville area. A place that is assessible from the North, South and West by public transporation and is a 20 minute L ride from a place where millions go to work everyday (The Loop). Screw the people who come in from out of down and want to stay downtown and take in other things one of the greatest cities in the world has to offer in addition to going to a Cubs game. The fact that over 3 million people a year have been coming to Wrigleyville to take in a Cubs game is solely because of the excellent product that has been on the field - no one comes for the great pre and post game experience available in Wrigleyville. The new stadum could be affordably built in the corn fields west of Elgin. That way it would be convenient for people who live in the NW suburbs. Screw the south side cubs fans - they should be White Sox fans anyway, or the northside fans - heck the Yuppies can always rent a car if they want to go to a game bad enough. The new stadium could be surrounded by miles and miles of vibrant parking lots. Who needs friendly neighborhood bars and great atmosphere when you got traffic jams. Outside of the parking lots, a Shaumburg-like feel could be created by adding endless strip malls, Walmarts, Fridays and Bennigans. People would come from all over the world to experience "Suburbville" because it would be a place like no other. Yep, that is what the new owners should do. Take the Cubs out of Wrigleyville and move them to the Suburbs. :roll: How about another part of the city? I didn't say the suburbs were the only viable option. Is it the Mets or Yankees that want to build a park in downtown New York? Regardless, if other franchises can build a park downtown (or the suburbs) the Cubs should at least look at it. Saying that Wrigley is the only option is being too closed-minded to other, and potentially better, solutions.

You have to admit, "The Chicago Cubs of Cary" has a nice ring to it. I'm just sayin.... 8-[

I agree, but when you combine this with everything else I stated a few pages back, I think the Cubs should seriously consider moving out of Wrigley. Notice I said "Wrigley" and not out of the city. If they could find a suitable site in the city, great. The issue they have with City Council has to do with the landmark status that Daley administration had placed on the park to force the Tribune to pay into the pockets of the alderman/landowners. Move them to another park and that problem goes away (maybe temporarily).

And you know the stats of every visiting player?

I would be willing to bet that you live in the city. Am I correct? Yup. Color me shocked As shocked as I am to hear someone from Cary that wants a new stadium at thier doorstep. Sorry it takes you so long to get to the game, for some reason. You live in Cary, not sure what you expect. Never said my doorstep. Your exaggerations are childish. Never said I worked in Cary. He asked where I live. Although I do go to day games, most of the games I attend are at night, after work. I also said that I used to live in Wrigleyville, until I was married 5 years ago. Not sure if you live in Wrigleyville, but if you do you likely rent and your landlord is extremely wealthy, and is living in either Kennilworth, Evanston, Lake Forest or Highland Park. If you think those people give 2 craps about you and your neighborhood you are sadly mistaken. The "Neighborhood Improvement Fund" that the Tribune was forced to pay into goes straight into their pockets. the neighborhood and the city administration treats the Cubs (the team I love) like crap. It's upsetting.

I would be willing to bet that you live in the city. Am I correct? Yup. Color me shocked

Do you use the shuttle on Addison (remote lot is DeVry) or the one on Bellmont (by Western)?

I would be willing to bet that you live in the city. Am I correct?

I live in Cary, IL. Far northwest suburb near Crystal Lake. I lived in Wrigleyville for 8 years until I was married 5 years ago. Cary has a Metra stop which is less than 2 miles from my house. Closest stop to Wrigley is a Clybourne which is a cab ride from the park. I also drive a lot and the remote lots (like I said) are fantastic but the shuttle takes 45 minutes to get from Addison and the Kennedy to the park. So on days when I'm forced to work a little later I miss the first inning. http://metrarail.com/

For the record I'm a huge Cubs fan. Just don't like the park and pray the new owner agrees. I should also mention that I'm also a season ticket holder, have been since '97. Myself and a good friend split four seats each year. The only reason that I don't go to more games is that I travel with my job and go to every game I can while home. I haven't been to more than 15 games in each of the last three years but should get to at least 20 this year. There is much more to loving a team than loving the park. The buddy that splits the tickets with me doesn't share my opinion and is also a poster here.

Unnecessary. Bringing a car anywhere near a Chicago venue with the kind of L access that Wrigley has is insane. Why fight that battle?Cause the Cubs have fans that live outside the city With a much greater percentage of seats that are closer to the action and have better sightlines that comparable seats in new parks.So screw the people that can't get those seats? Do you take Ritalin? :roll: "Only" transit access? What the hell else do you want? Who needs cab stands when cabs are all over the place? Buses take forever to go anywhere in Chicago in heavy traffic situations. Exactly my point The ballclub has addressed this on a temporary basis, and will permanently deal with it as sections are rebuilt.Must get City Council approval first. It took two years to get the bleecher expansion approved and the Cubs haven't started the process yet with the city Steel rusts. Every park with exposed steelwork needs to fight corrosion regularly.Exactly my point. You pay your hard earned money and are forced to stare at rusted steel as you wait in line at the gift shop. Forty one thousand seats not enought for you? 1 is plenty. Take the elevator.It took them two years to get this approved by City Council The scoreboard makes noise? I've had seats right under the thing and have no idea what you're talking about.I doubt you have ever sat under the scoreboard Pathetic? It's the easiest to read in MLB precisely because it isn't overloaded with trivial information and advertising. How about OBP or SLG? Too trivial for you?

Me too, but for completely different reasons. Your great memories as a kid of watching games at Wrigley, was it because of the exploding scoreboard and speed pitch they had back then, or was it the rotissierie chicken stand? No, it was spending time with my Dad, but your sarcasm is appreciated none the less. Your personal preference. I live in the burbs and used to live in Wrigleyville. Like I said earlier, the remote parking lots are fantastic. That is the only option if you live in the burbs. Like I said, I've been there when it's packed and the movement of people is far superior. As it is in Safeco and Turner. The upper deck where you can't see a home run until it lands in the stands? Or the mezz level where you can't see popups until they're caught? Look, all that I'm saying is that it's ridiculous to keep Wrigley for the history of the place. It's falling apart and there are better options available if the new owner decides. Everyone here has grabbed onto the transportation aspects of the points made earlier. The fact remains, Wrigley has access to the L and remote lots. Buses are awful, taxis are aweful, access to highways is awful. There are better ways to do things. Better ways to watch games. Different people enjoy different things. To each his/her own. For me, I'll continue to go to my 15 games per year and wonder how much better it will be once Colangelo kicks the administration and neighborhood in the teeth and moves the Cubs to a real ballpark.

And for those that don't live near an L stop? Screw them right, I mean they can't possibly be Cubs fans right? :roll: Where did I mention a prairie? Soldier Field is close to the L, close the two highways, close to a major road for buses and cabs (LakeShore Drive). Have you ever tried to drive to or from a Bears game? It's a nightmare. Also Soldier field is not close to any L stops. It's a hike from the nearest one. Yes and it's close to the Roosevelt stop on the redline. Take a cab or walk from there. I have driven to Bears games, as well as taken the L and buses. I'll admit, none are perfect but at least they are options. With Wrigley, the only viable options are taking the L or driving and parking at a remote lot (which are free and have a free shuttle by the way which is fantastic). They tried to build a remote lot closer to the park and the neighborhood said "No". Buses and cabs are horrible after games. Has anyone here been to a game at BankOne? Or Safeco? Or Turner? All have very good access to public transportation. Not to mention all of the fan/family friendly aspects that I mentioned about the Cell, shorter lines, better statistics, better food, better walkways, better sight lines..... What are you talking about? Since when did Phoenix get light rail/subway? Seattle only has one stupid short monorail line that goes nowhere near Safeco. Atlanta: their train line goes nowhere near Turner. Public transportation <> just trains (subway/L) Turner Field has a multiple taxi stations, same for Safeco. The buses run on roads that are more than 1 lane (plus side parking) in each direction. Plus, they have PARKING. Wrigley is close to the L, but that is it. If you live anywhere other than the city it is hard to get to. The remote lots are great but the shuttle is slow along Addison and Belmont. It takes the shuttle 45 minutes to travel 3 miles.