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White chocolate hustles more. "White chocolate" technically isn't chocolate. That's just media favoritism towards brown chocolate making white chocolate look bad. Nobody would even care about chocolate if it wasn't brown. Are you honestly telling me that chocolate would have gotten its spot as the keynote candy of Valentine's Day if it was white? Ultimate winnar.

You're not going to get anyone of Greene's level for just Marmol straight up. Again, unless it looks like he can be stretched into a starter, as good as he is, he's still just a reliever. He can help push a deal to completion in abi way, but he's not going to be the main part of the deal. And the others I mentioned? Murton is stuck as a man out of place, yet he's a great trade piece, especially with the Padres, who have shown interest in him. Cedeno would have to go becase the need the SS depth with Greene going, and the Cubs could handle that easily wih Greene coming back in return. I'd trade Marshall or Gallagher as the final part...I could really go either way. Bottom line, you're not going to get a quality and valuable player like Greene for nothing. You're severely overvaluing Marmol. i suspect a lot of trade partners would severely overvalue marmol, however. but likely not kevin towers, since he's smart. Even by those that would overvalue him, he's still better served as part of a trade than for anything straight up, short of the rare miracle deal falling right in the Cubs' lap. "Our best reliever" is still just a reliever. It would be a diferent matter if the Cubs clearly had a crappy bullpen besides Marmol, but they don't. It's much easier to fill a bullpen with passable or better players than it is to seriously upgrade at a position spot...and Marmol has the shine to be a big part of a deal to do so, and the Cubs have the luxury of parting with him. A reliever right now, even one as good as Marmol, IS a spare part, and one that can ad should be traded for maximum value. Not that it matters. Hendry never sells high. He's gonna glom onto Marmol because the fans love him and relegate him to the closer role after Wood breaks down for good this year or the next.

White chocolate hustles more. "White chocolate" technically isn't chocolate. That's just media favoritism towards brown chocolate making white chocolate look bad.

You're not going to get anyone of Greene's level for just Marmol straight up. Again, unless it looks like he can be stretched into a starter, as good as he is, he's still just a reliever. He can help push a deal to completion in abi way, but he's not going to be the main part of the deal. And the others I mentioned? Murton is stuck as a man out of place, yet he's a great trade piece, especially with the Padres, who have shown interest in him. Cedeno would have to go becase the need the SS depth with Greene going, and the Cubs could handle that easily wih Greene coming back in return. I'd trade Marshall or Gallagher as the final part...I could really go either way. Bottom line, you're not going to get a quality and valuable player like Greene for nothing. You're severely overvaluing Marmol.

Trading Marmol wouldn't make this bullpen stink. The Cubs have the luxury of selling high on a player like Marmol and still having a competitive or better bullpen. Greene's numbers are dragged down by playing half of his season in the cavern that is Petco. Look at his splits. His away OPS was .840 last year. .863 the year before that. Get him out of Petco and into a place like Wrigley and his numbers overall will soar. He's a serious power threat, especially for a SS, and he plays excellent defense at a position where we could use it. Plus, as opposed to Marmol's one inning every other game, he'll play almost every game. If you can use a reliever as a package to get a young, excellent everyday player like Greene, you do it.

Frostwyrn loves his cereal mascots like he loves his presidential candidates...delicious and chocolatey.

It would take a LOT for the Brewers to pass the White Sox, Mets and Cardinals in my book. As it stands right now, they just happen to be the competitor du jour, but there's no history or anything "real" to it.

Look, the argument for Greene has been spelled out clearly over and over again. If you're going to sit there and reply that him having a lower BA compared to Ryan-freakin'-Theriot is the main argument against him and ignore everything else, this is over before it even begins. Secondly, trading Marmol for the right player is about as far from idiotic as one could get. On the contrary...if the Cubs wised up and sold high for once, Marmol as part of a package could net a very juicy return to fill holes the team desperately needs to fill. At the end of the day, Marmol, as great as he is, is a reliever. You don't choose to horde a reliever when he could help net you desperately needed upgrades. The only way I'd want the Cubs to keep Marmol is if it looks like he can be stretched into an effective starter or if the bullpen suffered a slew of injuries. Short of either of that, he should be packaged up and sold high. To me, netting Greene in return for such a package would benefit the team much more than Marmol's relief appearances. I know a lot of people here would agree with that.

Even Neifi hit that grand slam that one time.

Yup, thats kinda his thing. yeah it's just funny to watch. i think he realized after the first pitch, "uh oh this guy has good stuff, i got no shot unless he throws four balls." So Kerry oblidged and slapped a couple of huge ones in Kendall's face.

He needs to be a gamer and grit it out. Does everything wrong, lounges around, and eats orphans. That's right, HE EATS ORPHANS.

I LOVE YOU, SHAM CLOSER!!!

YEAH!!!

Uh-oh.

Blargh. Redemption time, Kerry. Shut 'em down.

Good thing Pie got hit...I seem to remember Turnbow being really effective last year when he got the first batter out, but if the batter got on, he tended to have serious trouble.

Pie steals home.

One of the first responses to the original post was "go to hell." If that's not a personal attack, I don't know what is. Later responses implied that the support of Theriot was based on race, and the post above this one felt the need to take a shot at the person starting this thread simply because it didn't get much support. I should be clear-I don't like Theriot, and I personally would prefer Cedeno. But my God, just because someone thinks Theriot is the best SS the team currently has (by no means a ridiculous argument), there is no reason to tell that person to go to hell. Get a little perspective. That was me. I figured such an absurd statement in regards to a nobody ballplayer would be recognized as such. Whoops. The race thing I do think in some cases is somewhat valid, and shouldn't just be dismissed offhand. Yes, something as blunt as "liking Theriot makes you a racist" said in seriousness would be ridiculous, but I find it very curious/interesting/odd that players like Theriot or Eckstein are often defended tooth and nail as "playing the game right" and as "gamers" or "gritty" whereas players like Neifi Perez or Juan Pierre are just awful or "lazy" or even "stupid."

Fukudome threw it in to try and catch Weeks, the throw was wide, Weeks slammed into Soto when he was on the basepath and knocked him over, with the ball going to the backstop.

The Cubs are going to retaliate with a plunking, after which you can be assured the plunkee will definitely score.

That's the dividing line. I think a lot of us ultimately see him in the same area as guys like Macias or Neifi. From that perspective, it's baffling as to how anyone can "like him" as a baseball player, especially since there's little to seperate them from him, and the charges that they were "lazy" or that they were "stupid" seems nonsensical as if Theriot is some shining example of the opposite type of player. I don't think anyone here actually dislikes the guy as a person, but as a starting player there's mountains of tangible problems to dislike or be frustrated over. No, it's not his fault that he's starting, but that doesn't mean anyone has to appreciate him in that role or the negligble big league skills/talent he brings with him. Nobody is rooting for him to do poorly...it's just terribly unlikely he'll be anything but poor.

I would not be opposed to those moves but why Pie so high and DeRosa so low? If you were to flip them I'd be on board. I would not want my #5 hitter to be an offensive liability like Pie who at times will be completely overwhelmed at this level and will struggle to just make contact. The #5 hitter seems to be an unavoidable hole at this point. Sure, they can bat Fukudome there, but he's much better served at #2 or maybe even #1. DeRosa is in the same boat. Both are decent hitters who can take pitches, but they (likely) don't have the power threat to really shore up #5. Of course, Soriano is ideal hitting 5th, but personally, I'm not confident of him being as valuable as he can be anywhere besides #1. I know it's a broken record and probbly no chance of happening, but man, picking up Greene from SD would so wonderfully solve both the SS and #5 issues. I wonder if a package of Marmol/Cedeno/Gallagher/Murton would have a chance of getting that done by the deadline.

This thread makes me want to puke and poop my pants in anger and have a heart attack of shame and a stroke of disgust and other righteously disgusting condemnations and stuff and junk and drama.

He got support in that he was much more preferrable to Izturius at the time. That's not exactly a ringing endorsement. It was generally hoped that by this point at the latest the Cubs would have addressed their SS problem.

I'm really disappointed/pissed at/offended by Ryan Theriot.