Sammy Sofa

What if it's a Cubs fan who was White Sox fan and a Cardinals fan first?

Man, people here are not grasping the concept of "facts" today. erik, you didn't prove or use "facts" to show that only the Cubs could have had a week of baseball this bad. To do so would require you point out some kind of previous "winner" of worst week ever and then showing how the Cubs' week was worst. You did nothing of the sort. You rattled off a bunch of reasons why the Cubs sucked this past week and then subjectively declared that they amounted to the suckiest week that the sucky Cubs ever sucked. There is nothing for anyone to "prove wrong" because you never proved your own point in the first place.

We're a bunch of scienticans.

Yes, because this discussion clearly has been steeped in facts. Good eye.

Dammit, now I have to prove you wrong. When will the cycle end?

Lou Piniella is the worst manager that the Cubs have ever had. PROVE ME WRONG, IF YOU DARE.

Fine. Maybe not "only the Cubs", but very few teams in recent memory have sucked this badly in a weeks worth of games than the Cubs have this past week. Better? And you know this to be sure? You've yet to point out how you can say this unequivocally. You've yet to point out how I can't, so I guess we've reached an impasse, haven't we? Well, no, since you fail to grasp that the burden of proof is on you. You made a statement and then showed nothing to show that it was true. Rattling off a list of why the Cubs sucked does nothing to prove that it was a week that "only the Cubs" could have.

So, again, you're saying that if the Cubs had come just shy of not breaking those oh-so-scary "futility records," it wouldn't be a case of "oh, jeepers, only those silly Cubs!"? And I still don't know why you're acting breaking those "records" means anything worse than just being bad. OK, so teams haven't broken THOSE records in a long time. What about all the other long standing "futility records" that are broken or matches numerous times every season...are those worse or better than what the Cubs just did?

Fine. Maybe not "only the Cubs", but very few teams in recent memory have sucked this badly in a weeks worth of games than the Cubs have this past week. Better? And you know this to be sure? You've yet to point out how you can say this unequivocally.

So what's the privilege?

Read my post above. I did that quite clearly. They have had 3 futility records just in the past week that haven't been matched in years by anyone in baseball (consecutive hits by the Rockies, the 2-3-4 guys on the Brewers, and the AB allowed with RISP) or by the franchise in the case of the 26 hits . Also being outscored by 46 runs over the past 6 games, the cycle, and the losing streak are not unique to the Cubs as there have been many cases of that hapening every single season, but if you pile it on top of everything else what more proof do you need? I'm not saying the Cubs are the worst team in the Majors this season, or ever. All I'm saying is that I can't recall the Cubs or any other team having as bad of a week as the Cubs have had on the field in recent memory. Don't read any further into it than that. Except that's not all you're saying since you pull the "only the Cubs" shtick time and time again. And why the hell are you acting like a "futility record" is some horrible, unique thing? Again, baseball is filled these kinds of meaningless streaks and records. They're matched and beaten and created all of the time, every season. I mean, they way you're putting it seems to imply that if the Cubs had managed to just barely avoid those horrible "futility records" then it wouldn't be an "only the Cubs" week. You keep demanding that people prove you wrong, but you haven't even proven yourself to be right. You've in no way shown how this stretch of games is unique to the Cubs in terms of futility or failure.

Anyone who's been a fan of baseball for any sustained period of time knows the game is filled with a nearly infinite amount of meaningless records and streaks, both "good" and "bad," that are matched or broken numerous times every season. The burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that even this most recent stretch of games is somehow unique to them in terms of failure or futility for the "only the Cubs" garbage to have any meaning.

Get back on topic.

Harry couldn't name two guys (correctly) on the team.

And? I still don't understand why you think that it is somehow binding in the sense that the Ricketts can't or won't decide to fire him instead.

I've said it before, but the inteviews in the bottom of the seventh are far worse than the actual singing. Oh man, I love those, especially when the inning drags and Len basically has to give them the boot. I mean, really, if they're going to let Reagan in to the booth then everyone else is automatically an upgrade.

I don't understand how they're "God awful." Compared to who? Harry couldn't sing. Santo can't sing. Len and Bob can't sing. And hell, it's hilarious when you get someone up there who is even worse than usual or, even better, screws it up. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about; shouldn't it be about fun? The crowd can still sing, and we're entertained by someone who sings it poorly or messes it up. Expecting more is turning it into something bigger than it actually is.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

How so? Because it's bordering on delusional. It's not "the Cubs' song," it doesn't belong to the fans and it's not a privilege.

Yup, there's no middle ground; either one thinks that the Cubs are the worst team ever sloppily farted onto a baseball field or they're deluded into thinking they've always got a shot! It's impossible to look at a bad team realistically without delving into "ONLY THE COBS" histrionics.

Forget how he crowds the plate and how big he is; Fielder gets "hit" plenty of times just from how baggy his uniform is.

Well, that's just silly.

Well, they're obviously not "worse than anyone" right now. That's not even up for debate.

I remember my dad teaching me the words to "Take Me Out To The Ballgame" and how we had fun singing it together at the games as a kid. It was a great moment. Hell, we sang it together 3 times in May when the Cubs came to Arlington and he is 79 and I am 37. Neither of us fit your supposed stereotype. That's a personal tradition not beholden to the Cubs. They weren't the first team to sing "Take Me Out...", they're not the only team to do so, and they're not the last. Harry wasn't the first announcer to do so and and he didn't even start it with the Cubs, so again I ask: what the hell is so "sacred" about it that he needs to be saved from the disrespect of celebrities showing up to sing it? He'll, you're making my point for me; so long as the crowd is singing it, who cares is conducting it? It's not some classic or exclusive tradition to the Cubs.

I'm thinking media members, not fans. And it's not so much being upset about firing Hendry, but more finding out why he gave the vote of confidence and then fired him. This happens virtually every year across every sport, and you never hear a peep about it from the media. Nobody cares Maybe not. Can you think of or find an example for local or national media has criticized a team for firing a manager or GM for putting together or running a bad team after giving them a vote of confidence earlier in the season?