Sammy Sofa
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Oh, Ozzie. Loved the look on Geo's face. -
I feel really bad for Dunn.
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That was a phenomenal AB.
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KA-BOOSH.
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Cubs do an "It Gets Better" video in support of LGBTQ youth
Sammy Sofa replied to inari's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
Hey man, at least he was honest and just expressing himself! -
Aw, Soriano and Castro are adorable together.
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CASTRO WILL NOT BE CONTAINED.
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Again: "Yeah, if the interesting things never happened there would be no interesting story!" This one is good, too: Think of all the various sports, history, news stories you can sum up this way. EXTREME ANALOGY: "Yeah, that Lincoln assassination is pretty boring. If he had just stayed home then you would have seen some REAL action!"
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He yelled out safe. Yeah, it was pretty funny. He was getting all worked up and forgot he was on the air for a second.
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What the [expletive] happened to Dunn?
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Of course the reaction to Bartman is part of the story. The reaction in any major event if always part of the story, especially when it comes to sports. You're talking like even discussing what happened to Bartman is off limits, like it wasn't this bizarre thing that obviously happened. Your argument is basically "well, if it wasn't such an interesting story then nobody would be interested." Well, no [expletive]. And saying he had nothing to do with the collapse is asinine. Of course he did. There's a difference between him being involved and him being at fault.
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With the monetary issues the Dodgers have, they may not be able to afford to re-sign Kemp, though. He's a FA after the 2012 season (I think?) and he'll cost a hefty bundle, so they won't have much time to get their finances in order before he's on the market. Ethier and Kemp are both FA after 2012 and I highly doubt the Dodgers are able to keep either of them. I'd definitely prefer Kemp. And Truffle, I think they'd actually still have enough money between what's coming off the books after this year and the next (Zambrano, Dempster and Byrd) that they'd have enough to sign a good pitcher for the rotation.
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Castro coming through.
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Exactly. Bartman's not the reason they lost the series, but his sudden moment of fame was the first part of a bizarre series of events and inaction and reactions that makes for a good story. Yes, the documentary exists because of what happened to Bartman. It's an interesting story because it's something that just doesn't happen. You keep dancing around the blame issue, first seemingly saying people here were blaming him and now automatically assuming that the documentary is blaming him. You're also inexplicably declaring that this is somehow only interesting if what happened was actually his fault, which doesn't make any sense. Whether you like it or not the story exists because of the timing of what happened and the larger context it happened in. It doesn't hinge on whether or not anything was actually his fault.
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Precisely.
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No, there is obviously a story because he's involved whether it's his fault or not. For better or for worse he was the guy there that went for the ball and effectively ran into Alou as he was reaching over the wall, hence why he was thrust into the spotlight. If YOU refuse to see this is an interesting story, fine, that's your prerogative, but if you're going to also refuse to acknowledge why tons of people would find the whole spectacle interesting (WITHOUT BLAMING HIM FOR ANYTHING) then you're on your own with that. Him being at fault or not isn't what makes it a story...it's that a nobody, average fan was forced into the surreal and unusual position he ended up in because of the larger context of what was going on and where he was and what team was involved, plus you have the story of how it's become this thing that the Cubs are forever saddled with until they actually go to another WS. Him not being at fault is irrelevant because it's still a thing that happened on the public stage that was very unique and "cinematic."
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Pretty much. When they [expletive] up it's spectacular and it can leave you dumbfounded, but most of the time they're just fine.
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is it as remarkable as blaming livestock? Exactly. The whole premise that the Cubs lost because of a Curse or a Goat or Steve Bartman is nauseating and should be an insult to every reasonable person's intelligence. Neither of which anyone is arguing here. And yes, the goat story is a story. I don't see how you're not grasping the difference between "OMG, THOSE ARE THE REASONS THE CUBS LOST!!!" and "wow, those are weird stories." The Bartman saga is interesting. A guy trying to bring his damn goat to a ballgame and being turned away and then supposedly cursing the team is interesting. It's like you're arguing that everyone should just shrug these stories off or ignore them, as if acknowledging how unusual they are is somehow condoning meatballism.
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Actually, a single fan being blamed for a team and fanbase's nearly a century's worth of misery continuing is a pretty remarkable and interesting story. I have no idea why you're going to keep pretending that this isn't an unusual story, but go right ahead.
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You're arguing against something that nobody really here is saying. Nobody here is saying that he lost them the game. The closest you've got is a guy saying that he thinks the Cubs would have won the series if Alou caught the ball. There's a huge difference between saying he cost them the game/series and recognizing that it was a very emotional, very unusual, very dramatic event that was the precursor to even more high drama for the rest of the inning.
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I wouldn't believe what, that a fan tried to catch a foul ball hit straight to him? Yes, OK, pretend that it had absolutely no meaning outside of that. And no, I'm not blaming Bartman for anything, but to act like it was a total non-story is absurd.
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Hey, Pena is OPSing over 1.000 over the last week...there's no way you want a guy like that hitting #3.
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How is it "needless?" It happened, it was unusual and dramatic, and the larger context of it being Wrigley and the Cubs and the WS on the line and him being a Cubs fan makes it an incredibly unique story. If it happened in a movie you likely wouldn't believe it.
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Pujols out 4-6 weeks with fractured forearm
Sammy Sofa replied to Clem Fandango's topic in General Baseball Talk
Nightmare scenario: Pujols opts to stay with the Cards for less money, the Brewers win it all and Fielder opts to stay and the Cubs plunge further down the shame spiral. I don't see Fielder staying regardless. A realistic scenario is this injury bringing the bidding for Pujols down into the Cards' range, and it drags out deep into the offseason, when he eventually re-signs with STL. The Cubs wait out the Pujols decision, while Prince signs elsewhere during the process, leaving them with neither. I don't see Fielder staying either, hence why it's a nightmare. And I really don't see Prince signing before Pujols unless it becomes apparent that Pujols is taking a deep cut. -
Just to clarify, Bartman didn't catch the ball.
