Blueheart05

Feel free to let your emotions flow. 6 walks in 2.2 IP.

*ARGH* A WALK All this guy does is walk people. EVERYTIME he comes into the game.

A runner in scoring position without an out. Get someone else up please. Aardsma doesn't inspire confidence (even though that should have been an out).

LOL

If Aardsma walks someone I'm going to scream.

He's struck out NINE!!!!!!! It's not about the strikeout. He's pitched poorly overall. I don't buy that this was a "quality start." He made some poor decisions on the mound and allowed himself to be beaten by their few good hitters (namely Cabrera). Well then maybe you should go and redefine QS. Because he's had one. I didn't say he didn't make mistakes, but he's got a few. Our offense needs to stop swinging at 1st pitches. No, you said he struck out 9 as if that was a sign of quality. My point was that he made key mistakes that led to runs scored. he's struck out 10 and given up 3 ER. Quality start whether you buy it or not. It doesn't matter what we call it, walking guys and giving up homeruns and doubles, right afterwards, isn't smart pitching. It's like he looses his concentration on the mound. Maybe he didn't lose his concentration. Maybe he was beat by a good hitter. How bout 7 innings, 3 ER, 11 ks? Still a "poor" outing? Perfect? No. Poor? Of course not. He's admitted to losing concentration on the mound a few times already this year. Also, once a walk is issued, it would be nice if he would work hard on getting the next man. If these were better hitters this game would have been busted open. Remember, he walked a guy on 5 (?) pitches after giving up the 3rd run but was able to rally and Rothschild had to run out to help him refocus. If he were pitching against a better team this could easily be a larger deficit. so you base your argument on what would have happened against another team even though you have no clue what would have actually happened. In case you're not watching, he's had sick sick stuff with a few mistakes. You're twisting my position. No i'm rewriting your position. "If he were pitching against a better team he would have an easier defecit". You're talking about a hypothetical situation and criticiszing Z based on that, and that's plain crap. No, it's crap that you chose to only respond to part of my posts. I already pointed out particular instances where I thought he made mistakes that led to runs. There's nothing hypothetical about that. You said he pitched poorly overall. 7 IP, 3 ER, and 12 K's is not poorly. I think that opinion is just about the most ridiculous thing I've heard. End of my dialogue in this discussion. End of dialogue? Well I guess you told me professor. It's ridiculous that you just look at the line.

He's struck out NINE!!!!!!! It's not about the strikeout. He's pitched poorly overall. I don't buy that this was a "quality start." He made some poor decisions on the mound and allowed himself to be beaten by their few good hitters (namely Cabrera). Well then maybe you should go and redefine QS. Because he's had one. I didn't say he didn't make mistakes, but he's got a few. Our offense needs to stop swinging at 1st pitches. No, you said he struck out 9 as if that was a sign of quality. My point was that he made key mistakes that led to runs scored. he's struck out 10 and given up 3 ER. Quality start whether you buy it or not. It doesn't matter what we call it, walking guys and giving up homeruns and doubles, right afterwards, isn't smart pitching. It's like he looses his concentration on the mound. Maybe he didn't lose his concentration. Maybe he was beat by a good hitter. How bout 7 innings, 3 ER, 11 ks? Still a "poor" outing? Perfect? No. Poor? Of course not. He's admitted to losing concentration on the mound a few times already this year. Also, once a walk is issued, it would be nice if he would work hard on getting the next man. If these were better hitters this game would have been busted open. Remember, he walked a guy on 5 (?) pitches after giving up the 3rd run but was able to rally and Rothschild had to run out to help him refocus. If he were pitching against a better team this could easily be a larger deficit. so you base your argument on what would have happened against another team even though you have no clue what would have actually happened. In case you're not watching, he's had sick sick stuff with a few mistakes. You're twisting my position. No i'm rewriting your position. "If he were pitching against a better team he would have an easier defecit". You're talking about a hypothetical situation and criticiszing Z based on that, and that's plain crap. No, it's crap that you chose to only respond to part of my posts. I already pointed out particular instances where I thought he made mistakes that led to runs. There's nothing hypothetical about that.

He's struck out NINE!!!!!!! It's not about the strikeout. He's pitched poorly overall. I don't buy that this was a "quality start." He made some poor decisions on the mound and allowed himself to be beaten by their few good hitters (namely Cabrera). Well then maybe you should go and redefine QS. Because he's had one. I didn't say he didn't make mistakes, but he's got a few. Our offense needs to stop swinging at 1st pitches. No, you said he struck out 9 as if that was a sign of quality. My point was that he made key mistakes that led to runs scored. he's struck out 10 and given up 3 ER. Quality start whether you buy it or not. It doesn't matter what we call it, walking guys and giving up homeruns and doubles, right afterwards, isn't smart pitching. It's like he looses his concentration on the mound. Maybe he didn't lose his concentration. Maybe he was beat by a good hitter. How bout 7 innings, 3 ER, 11 ks? Still a "poor" outing? Perfect? No. Poor? Of course not. He's admitted to losing concentration on the mound a few times already this year. Also, once a walk is issued, it would be nice if he would work hard on getting the next man. If these were better hitters this game would have been busted open. Remember, he walked a guy on 5 (?) pitched after giving up the 3rd run but was able to rally and Rothschild had to run out to help him refocus. If he were pitching against a better team this could easily be a larger deficit. this is all complete speculation on your part. If if if if....i doubt other teams would have him hit hard with the stuff he had tonight. take out cabrera, one of the top 5 offensive players in the game over the last 3 yrs, and this is a shutout. Cabrera isn't the only person with an RBI tonight. The walks hurt more than anything. As I said earlier, Cabrera is good so if he gets a hit you tip your cap. The walks only added to deficit.

He's struck out NINE!!!!!!! It's not about the strikeout. He's pitched poorly overall. I don't buy that this was a "quality start." He made some poor decisions on the mound and allowed himself to be beaten by their few good hitters (namely Cabrera). Well then maybe you should go and redefine QS. Because he's had one. I didn't say he didn't make mistakes, but he's got a few. Our offense needs to stop swinging at 1st pitches. No, you said he struck out 9 as if that was a sign of quality. My point was that he made key mistakes that led to runs scored. he's struck out 10 and given up 3 ER. Quality start whether you buy it or not. It doesn't matter what we call it, walking guys and giving up homeruns and doubles, right afterwards, isn't smart pitching. It's like he looses his concentration on the mound. Maybe he didn't lose his concentration. Maybe he was beat by a good hitter. How bout 7 innings, 3 ER, 11 ks? Still a "poor" outing? Perfect? No. Poor? Of course not. He's admitted to losing concentration on the mound a few times already this year. Also, once a walk is issued, it would be nice if he would work hard on getting the next man. If these were better hitters this game would have been busted open. Remember, he walked a guy on 5 (?) pitches after giving up the 3rd run but was able to rally and Rothschild had to run out to help him refocus. If he were pitching against a better team this could easily be a larger deficit. so you base your argument on what would have happened against another team even though you have no clue what would have actually happened. In case you're not watching, he's had sick sick stuff with a few mistakes. You're twisting my position.

He's struck out NINE!!!!!!! It's not about the strikeout. He's pitched poorly overall. I don't buy that this was a "quality start." He made some poor decisions on the mound and allowed himself to be beaten by their few good hitters (namely Cabrera). Well then maybe you should go and redefine QS. Because he's had one. I didn't say he didn't make mistakes, but he's got a few. Our offense needs to stop swinging at 1st pitches. No, you said he struck out 9 as if that was a sign of quality. My point was that he made key mistakes that led to runs scored. he's struck out 10 and given up 3 ER. Quality start whether you buy it or not. It doesn't matter what we call it, walking guys and giving up homeruns and doubles, right afterwards, isn't smart pitching. It's like he looses his concentration on the mound. Ok, 3 runs. Fine, I can say that 3 runs is somewhat inexcuseable. But the Cubs have no offense. If someone wants to blame this loss, it should directly go to the offense. Not Carlos, ineffectiveness in the first 3 innings. Holding your opponent to just 3 runs or less, it should have been a winnable game for the Cubs. Of course, it's the Cubs offense we're talking about, and it's the crappy left handed pitcher on the mound. You see it however you want, but I'm pointing out the fact that the Cubs offense isn't doing jack-squat to support Zambrano. Again, 3 runs. There's no reason why the Cubs can't get themselves 3 runs. The problem is they're just swining at first-pitches, striking out, etc. I'm not giving the offense a pass, I'm just talking about Zambrano.

He's struck out NINE!!!!!!! It's not about the strikeout. He's pitched poorly overall. I don't buy that this was a "quality start." He made some poor decisions on the mound and allowed himself to be beaten by their few good hitters (namely Cabrera). Well then maybe you should go and redefine QS. Because he's had one. I didn't say he didn't make mistakes, but he's got a few. Our offense needs to stop swinging at 1st pitches. No, you said he struck out 9 as if that was a sign of quality. My point was that he made key mistakes that led to runs scored. he's struck out 10 and given up 3 ER. Quality start whether you buy it or not. It doesn't matter what we call it, walking guys and giving up homeruns and doubles, right afterwards, isn't smart pitching. It's like he looses his concentration on the mound. Maybe he didn't lose his concentration. Maybe he was beat by a good hitter. How bout 7 innings, 3 ER, 11 ks? Still a "poor" outing? Perfect? No. Poor? Of course not. He's admitted to losing concentration on the mound a few times already this year. Also, once a walk is issued, it would be nice if he would work hard on getting the next man. If these were better hitters this game would have been busted open. Remember, he walked a guy on 5 (?) pitches after giving up the 3rd run but was able to rally and Rothschild had to run out to help him refocus. If he were pitching against a better team this could easily be a larger deficit.

agreed. I like groundball Zambrano

He's struck out NINE!!!!!!! It's not about the strikeout. He's pitched poorly overall. I don't buy that this was a "quality start." He made some poor decisions on the mound and allowed himself to be beaten by their few good hitters (namely Cabrera). Well then maybe you should go and redefine QS. Because he's had one. I didn't say he didn't make mistakes, but he's got a few. Our offense needs to stop swinging at 1st pitches. No, you said he struck out 9 as if that was a sign of quality. My point was that he made key mistakes that led to runs scored. he's struck out 10 and given up 3 ER. Quality start whether you buy it or not. It doesn't matter what we call it, walking guys and giving up homeruns and doubles, right afterwards, isn't smart pitching. It's like he looses his concentration on the mound.

He's struck out NINE!!!!!!! It's not about the strikeout. He's pitched poorly overall. I don't buy that this was a "quality start." He made some poor decisions on the mound and allowed himself to be beaten by their few good hitters (namely Cabrera). Like Meat&Potatoes with Ronnie, I call out your anti-Z bias! It's a quality start. 6 innings, 3 earned runs. I'll take it everytime. No bias against Z. I praise him when he does well but I can clearly see when he hasn't pitched well. Considering the circumstances, this wasn't a good outing. Like I said, he made poor decisions on the mound that directly led to runs.

He's struck out NINE!!!!!!! It's not about the strikeout. He's pitched poorly overall. I don't buy that this was a "quality start." He made some poor decisions on the mound and allowed himself to be beaten by their few good hitters (namely Cabrera). Well then maybe you should go and redefine QS. Because he's had one. I didn't say he didn't make mistakes, but he's got a few. Our offense needs to stop swinging at 1st pitches. No, you said he struck out 9 as if that was a sign of quality. My point was that he made key mistakes that led to runs scored.

He's struck out NINE!!!!!!! It's not about the strikeout. He's pitched poorly overall. I don't buy that this was a "quality start." He made some poor decisions on the mound and allowed himself to be beaten by their few good hitters (namely Cabrera).

I sure don't. I never know who's showing up for the game and what kind of performance he'll provide.

I believe he struck out on three pitches. No runs :evil:

A HIT! Neifi

Good, it's uncalled for. How about calling out the offense? Getting no-hit/shutout'ed is deftinaly uncalled for. I agree with that but, as I said earlier, the No-No wouldn't hurt if this was a scoreless game. That's Z's responsibility; then on top of it he gets frustrated with his teammates.

Good, it's uncalled for. He can be a jerk to Neifi for all I care. Maybe neifi's feelings will get hurt and he'l'l want to quit. Yeah but it affects the entire infield/team Matty walks!

Are you serious? Are you blind? That was ALL on neifi. Take your Cedeno blinders off please. IT's getting downright ridiculous. Len Kasper seemed to think it was Cedeno's throw that set up the lack of executed DP too.

Good, it's uncalled for.

Go Pirates Go Dodgers Go Nats

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