First of all, there are no "you ND guys." My point had nothing to do with Andy's woe-is-me [expletive]. My point is by not picking Taylor Mays, Poodle shot red flags up all over the place. Were there questions about Mays and his production on the field (and lack of INTs last year or so)? Yes. Were those questions answered very negatively when his own coach passed on him as the GM of an NFL franchise twice in the first round? I'd say yes. I'm not saying Poodle should screw over Seattle if he thinks Thomas is better than Mays. But I do think it's a funny turn of events, especially when you consider the whiny face he pulled out at Sanchez's PC last year. Poodle's all about Poodle. Weis is completely different. He's not the GM. He's not even the HC. I'm certain he told Pioli that he'd prefer JC as a QB. I'm also certain that Pioli made the decision (or the HC did). If they take Colt McCoy in R2 or even pass on Clausen and take a QB in a later round, you have some questions about Weis' opinion of Clausen. But so far, we know absolutely nothing about whether Weis wanted Clausen yesterday or not. Which ignores the fact that Clausen still likely was better off leaving early than not. He extended his pro career by a year, avoided the rookie salary cap, and if by some chance he's really good in the next year or two, he'll likely make more than he would have under his rookie contract next year (assuming he goes through his senior season without injury and with a great performance, despite trying to learn a new system, that prefers a mobile QB, which he isn't). Clausen didn't get screwed by Weis, or anyone. I think Denver will live to regret taking Tebow yesterday, but such is the flukiness of the NFL. So basically, anything short of Carroll drafting Taylor Mays is screwing him over. How extremely convenient for your negative opinion of him. Well, pretty much, yes. It may have been unavoidable for Carroll, but that was certainly the result of passing on him twice (and once for a safety). Sometimes you have no choice but to screw someone over, but what would you call it? It would have been hilarious if Thomas hadn't fallen and Seattle drafted Clausen over Mays, which was the rumor I heard today. I would say that the fact that Carroll didn't draft Taylor Mays only factors into the warped calculus of nutty USC fans who think Trojan players walk on water and people looking for dumb reasons to hate Carroll. It's seriously a non-issue for anyone who has a sane perception of how a football team should be run. And you're reaching even more if you think anyone would've accused Carroll of anything for drafting Clausen over Mays. FFS, one's a quarterback and one's a safety; I'm sure people could look past the ND/USC rivalry. The result of the Thomas pick was very bad for Mays. Carroll runs the franchise and made the pick, so he caused the negative result for Mays. Doing something that has a very negative outcome for one of your former players, even if its in your current team's best interest, is screwing them over, in my book. Why that offends you, I don't know. It's not like I'm accusing Carroll of trading 4 draft picks to move up and take Tim Tebow. And I wasn't suggesting anyone would accuse Carroll of anything for picking Clausen. I just thought it would have been funny. But it can't be you that's taking the jaded viewpoint here. Must be me, I guess.