I had a bet on Hull going down when they were 6th, so I'm hoping the year's good news story goes pear-shaped. As for Liverpool; I'm not sure about things going right for them - some very big things went wrong. Torres was injured, Gerrard was injured (admittedly, they should have better cover, but that's not the issue here) and Robbie Keane was a flop. Add a more productive attacker - Tevez, they reckon, though I dream of David Villa going to link up with Torres, even though I'm no Liverpool fan - and a bit more versatility in defence, another year on Ryan Babel's experience, and Liverpool are getting better and better. Ronaldo leaving United would leave a massive hole - Giggs and Scholes are coming to the end of the piece, and Berbatov has disappointed. That leaves you with Rooney, really, and the bit part players around him (Macheda, Welbeck etc); all good, but not all brilliant. Its a worst case scenario, but I don't see United running away with it at all. (Cue :blush: when they do)