By the way, lol @ detroit. Eh, they overpaid for a couple guys but at least they overpaid for younger guys who still have some upside and are fairly sure bets to continue to produce at the levels they have. Charlie V is brutal defensively but I love him offensively and he's solid on the boards. He can be really good on the offensive end and if they can get him to commit defensively (not likely) he's a bargain. They basically positioned themselves to be a 4-6 seed for the next few years. Which can basically be NBA hell. But they can't afford to tank and rebuild or they'll sell 7,500 seats per game. They need to get lucky at one spot. I think he was loling at the Ben Wallace signing.