no, you're missing the point. i can point out that a fan of any team is being stupid, regardless of what team i root for. Just like George Bush can point out another president did a crappy job too. He would sound like a dumbass too saying it. you don't get it as evidenced by that nonsense analogy. I'll explain it to you for the third and final time. me saying an IU fan is being stupid has nothing to do with me being an iowa state fan. your "right" to call some dumb fan out on their idiocy is not tied to who you root for. I keep trying to think of a new way to explain it to you and I can't. sorry. Yes, because the problem is I don't get your point. By that same logic, then the IU fan can point our your stupidity to even get into a conversation about relevance given your affiliation. That's how it works. Hence the analogy, Bush has every right to point out someone being terrible at their job. If it's a fact, it's a fact no matter where it came from. But when he points out that someone is being terrible at their job, he's going to get it thrown right back at him because of the fact he was terrible at his job. Just like when an ISU fan says an IU fan shouldn't be talking about relevance, he's going to get a response regarding his even being in a conversation about relevance in the first place. Secondly, how long is this "IU wasn't relevant for 3 years" thing going to last? It's not like they went from 3 20-loss seasons to hovering around .500. They won 27 games last year and was the preseason #1 this year, and current #3 team in the nation. That's pretty relevant. Hell, they played 7 nationally televised games in 2009, the year after having 3 scholarship players. And that's not counting the games in PR or the B1G/ACC challenge.