I think we have different definitions of this word. yeah, we must. for instance, i think a 1.17 whip and a 4.20 era is good. Yes and I consider an ERA+ of 97 to be below average. fine, he's horrendous and i wish he were dead. a 1.17 whip is good, and i didn't take the time to draft a thesis on the finer points of his statistics. i thought he'd be a decent 3/4 for the brewers (despite his woefully inadequate ERA+) given the fact that the brewers are a mid-market team. \You need to lighten up. I disagree that he's good, no need to get your panties all in a bunch. Take a deep breath. well, i guess it depends on how you view good. my point was that he's more than a mere inning eater, which is how someone described him. he's no, say, jered weaver, or anything. Fair enough.