Tell that to the White Sox who won a WS on Pitching and Defense. Their team BA was .262 with a .322 OBP and yet they managed to win a WS. they hit a crapload of homers. True..but they had 200 HR to our 194. They had a .262 AVG with a .322 OPB while we had a .270 AVG with a .324 OBP. So what was the difference between the two teams offensively? The difference must be in the clutch hitting because defense means very, very, very little. Yeah, that or exceptional pitching. I'll go with the pitching myself. You don't think that the defense had anything to do with that? I don't think it had much to do with it, no. How's our good defense working out with our pitching this year? I'd question the people that say we have one of the top 10 defenses-only because I can't think of one player on the roster who has played most everyday who I can call good defensively, and there are more people who are below average or average than below average. People have been calling out the outfield defense all year as average to below average, and the infield defense without Lee is not exactly stellar. That should tell you how subjective defense is. Agreed, but if we have a good defense as you said, where is it coming from? What players are good defenders to create this good defense? If the defense has preformed well and you can't tell who the good defensive players are, what does that tell you about defense?