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I was at the 19-5 Brewers game. man, this was better...

around 5:00ish i believe...

Hank White the only position player left, and Lou was ready to burn him in the 10th. nice...

yea, that's analogous damnit! i hate to be analogous!

here's a thought. don't walk or hit anyone, Kerry. oh wait, that refers to other games...

gotta give it up to Sori. i was on his ass. props... now learn to play defense, brutha!

I'm sure you had no idea that what is being said in the game thread is generally taken in context of the current game. obviously, you have no idea that the "game thread" is a forum dedicated to the thoughts of insightful fans during a game... play more, my flaming, baiting friend?

Are you seriously blaming Howry? He got 6 outs in a row. i was at the game the on Wednesday night and watched Howry give up 2 on the hardest hit homer I've ever seen. have you watched Howry yet this year? 6 outs? nicely placed... I wasn't aware this was the Wednesday game thread. i wasn't aware that cumulative performance was only available for daily criticism. my bad...

Are you seriously blaming Howry? He got 6 outs in a row. i was at the game on Wednesday night and watched Howry give up 2 on the hardest hit homer I've ever seen. have you watched Howry yet this year? 6 outs? nicely placed...

umm. 2008 happened? just a guess...

What exactly has Howry done to warrant this? He's pitched just fine. watch many games this year, dude?

i love Howry and Sori. they rawk...

haha! yeah, like Murton woulda played that any better...

That's awesome. I wonder what Bigbird and Belkfast think. If it happens, you can credit the assistant manager of the O'Charley's restaurant in Reynoldsburg, OH for breaking the story wait. did this person have the appropriate amount of "flair"?

Wrigley: April 30 Sec. 36 (Fuku seats) Sept. 17 Sec. 211 (Carlos Zambrano Bobblehead Night!) Cha Ching! Wrigley North: July 28 Sec. 441 (Bernie's Terrace/ 15 Bux) July 31 Sec. 225 (Club Level) Sept. 26 Sec. 441 (Bernie's Terrace/ 15 Bux) Sept. 28 Sec. 106 (Fuku Seats/ Last game of the season) Will probably pick up a coupla games at Miller park day of game in the parking lot. Not sure of scheduling due to work and school. Still and all, a nice haul for the two days. Let's get this season started already! :clapping:

That's one thing on my mind. The other is of course that had the Cubs not made the run Hendry may have gotten rid of Baker sooner. In addition, he might not have wasted so much money on mediocre relievers and a washed up Greg Maddux. I don't think getting Lee would have been effected one way or the other. He fell into Hendry's lap like manna from heaven. The rest of what was posted is specious logic at best. Maybe one season earlier, but a manager with the track record of Dusty Baker wasn't likely to be fired after just two seasons no matter what the records of the team were. And since the Cubs would either have the young pitchers healthy, in which case they'd be mediocre, or have the injuries excuse to fall back on Dusty would stay away from the blame for a while. Maddux was a good pitcher for the money for the Cubs in both 04 and 05. Maybe not the unbelievable pitcher that people were expecting, but an above average pitcher who throws over 210 innings both years is and was worth quite a bit of money. He was maybe slightly overpaid, but if so it wasn't much at all. As for the relievers, that could be true. At the same time, Hendry was overpaying for relievers when the Cubs were very good, and he continued overpaying for relievers after 2005 when they weren't so good. That seems more of a GM flaw in Hendry's early GM tenure rather than a direct result of the 2003 run. I would definitely agree that the Ramirez trade was a direct result of the 03 playoff run. The Lee trade is a lot more murky, but most people at the time thought it was the same sort of "win now" move as the Maddux move was. The best argument against the 03 run was the health of the Cubs young pitchers. To keep them healthy though, one would have to hope that the Cubs never became good during Baker's 3 years and that Wood would have to hold up during that time. The 03 playoff run was one of the best times to be a Cubs fan there ever was. To want to reverse that for me, there would have to be good evidence that the Cubs would be a better team if that hadn't happened. I don't see that evidence. Before 03, the Cubs were a middle of the pack payroll team with a lot of organizational promise that would have mostly gone unfulfilled because most of the prospects flamed out. Without 03, the Cubs may have never turned into the high payroll team they are today and the benefits that come with that. sorry, but i never understood the Maddux love. at the time Maddux was brought back, (after being dumped by the Braves, who understood he was not worth the money) pitching was not a problem. Pudge was begging to be a Cub for the same money. how'd that decision work out? with or without '03, the Cubs are what you see today, namely the perception of what Hendry sees as a marketable baseball team. the '03 team had one effect: Cub fans tasted victory, and want more. you give a glowing analysis of Hendry, but forget the many, many shortcomings of this manager. '03 is gone. deal with it. win me something, then we'll wax poetic...

No, not a lawyer or a law student. Decided to back out two weeks before classes began at Northwestern. Didn't have a spare $150,000 lying around. That said, I love the logic related to the study of law. Unfortunately, I found that very little of that logic applies to the actual practice. gotcha. i was close to law school at Marquette, myself. decided against it due to ethical reasons. Psych major now, Human Services dual major. post more, dude. peace...

great point you raise with cognitive dissonance. 'justification of effort' theory certainly applies here. we attempt to validate facts that disagree with the concept of 'self', or what we view as the 'norm', or our perception of 'norm'...

1. Its an opinion, not someone "making stuff up." 2. There is no burden of proof on anyone initiating an opinion, as it is an opinion. This isn't a court case, and there are no incontrovertible facts related to situational opinions. The opponent of that person positing a qualitative opinion always has the burden of proof in proving them wrong, because they chose to challenge that opinion. If you feel that he's "making stuff up," the only two real options are either to (a.) ignore it, or (b.) disagree with it using identical qualitative premises. Disagreeing with it using incomplete quantitative measures doesn't really do much to prove it false. Let me guess, you just took your Evidence final? :lol: spoken as a true Mod. let me guess, you couldn't find a bigger waste of bandwidth to use as a sig?

1. Its an opinion, not someone "making stuff up." 2. There is no burden of proof on anyone initiating an opinion, as it is an opinion. This isn't a court case, and there are no incontrovertible facts related to situational opinions. The opponent of that person positing a qualitative opinion always has the burden of proof in proving them wrong, because they chose to challenge that opinion. If you feel that he's "making stuff up," the only two real options are either to (a.) ignore it, or (b.) disagree with it using identical qualitative premises. Disagreeing with it using incomplete quantitative measures doesn't really do much to prove it false. ha! completely concur, dude. nice to see a bit of critical thinking tossed about. lawyer, or law student? either way, one must disclose that incontrovertible facts do not ALWAYS equate to obvious conclusions. in fact, the opposite is true. and for the record: i'm glad Prior is gone. peace...

i quoted the whole thing, as this post is spot on. nice job of explaining the differences in qualitative, and quantitative viewpoints. both methods are valid, and you display one of the central conundrums of scientific study (very succinctly, i might add). statistics are a method of predicting probability. your eyes involve perception, which denotes, and reinforces reality. to intelligently and accurately observe Baseball is to combine the two concepts. case closed. welcome to the board, and the world of internet postulation and punditry. acumen be damned...

was pretty hilarious this morning, listening to North on the morning Score on the way in. North and his bag nibbler Fred Heubner quoted the article comparing Jock and Fukudome. Ignorance was on display for all to hear. Jock and Fuku are alike in the sense that they both play outfield positions. the comparison ends there. compare OBP, base running skills, arm strength and acuracy, and general basebal acumen. ever see Jock throw the ball, North? Fuku's numbers/ play trump Jock in every way. how is this not apparent?

see, this was my thought also. BUT. why did Hendry feel the need to trade Jones for a ML player? a prospect would have been fine. looks like a 25 man roster move to complete the trade was required. i agree i would outright Infante, but Hendry is not that smart. imho this is payback for Neif! Dombrowski wins this one. this 'savings' basically amounts to a Wood deal in a 'tight' year. sign Wood and bring on Fukudome, Jimmy...

We'd still be one power bat away from having a good offense, while at the same time paying an extra 10 million for a pitcher who would probably put up the same stats as Hill. Well, as Hoops suggested, maybe it's possible to get him without giving up Hill, but we're going to remain one power bat away from having a good offense as long as the organization keeps this infatuation with Ryan Theriot. If we get someone with power for the outfield, Theriot doesn't become as much of a problem. It's almost impossible to find a SS with legitimate power, not so for outfielders. Perhaps we should go after Drew then. He'd undoubtedly be cheaper, and he can hit the long ball. how do you get Drew, (a Boston cast-off), for a decent price prospects-wise, and not take on all that prohibitive salary?

considering the Giants lineup, and lack of 'star' power without Bonds, let's hope they go after A-Rod with the money, not Fukudome. besides, Fuku is not NEARLY old enough to play on that team...