BigbadB

If they are considering selling the team anyway, what does another year on Schmidt's contract matter? Lilly at 4 years is a bigger gamble than Schmidt at 4 years, IMO. And teams can move a guy they wish to part with. The Yankees moved Javier Vazquez. They can probably even move Pavano this offseason. Just do it. Sign Schmidt! Refresh my memory...were the Yanks able to move Kevin Brown when he broke down? Again, I'm not in favor of Lilly. And I'd think seriously about Schmidt. It was the Dodgers that were able to move Kevin Brown, actually. Brown was just plain done with the Yankees, if I recall correctly. Brown was 38 when the Dodgers traded him.

Would you trade them along with say, Cedeno or Izturis, for Miguel Tejada? Probably. Soriano Murton Lee Ramirez Tejada Jones Barrett DeRosa would be the best lineup in the division and probably in the NL. Still like the Mets line up more.

If they are considering selling the team anyway, what does another year on Schmidt's contract matter? Lilly at 4 years is a bigger gamble than Schmidt at 4 years, IMO. And teams can move a guy they wish to part with. The Yankees moved Javier Vazquez. They can probably even move Pavano this offseason. Just do it. Sign Schmidt!

Can we dangle Izturis too, please? Oh, and welcome to NSBB!

Who exactly exposed to the world that Sammy left the clubhouse early? Hmmmm. As well they should have. Bottom line is that he left, it all goes back to Sammy's actions regardless of what the Cubs do or don't say. You think it's a good idea to completely destroy a guy's trade value by exposing a dumb move on a player's part, that's you opinion. It certainly isn't mine. It would have been much better to handle the situation privately, and then traded his ass to another team for decent value in return, meanwhile not paying almost his entire salary to play elsewhere. I'm really done with this argument. It has nothing to do with the Winter Meetings.

Who exactly exposed to the world that Sammy left the clubhouse early? Hmmmm. I'll bet that Sammy isn't the first guy to walk out of a club house early. While it is very unprofessional of Sammy to walk out, a front office that would play the same game is even more unprofessional.

Lilly probably shouldn't make anymore than 8m per. Overpay Lilly by 3m a year or overpay Jason Schmidt by 3m per? Schmidt, all day long.

I will admit, just about every time I see this thread title, I think about the Vlady, Beltran, Drew, Tejada, Giles signings that the Cubs didn't make and think that's what this thread is about, making amends on all the stupid signings and trades like Burnitz, Neifi, Glendon and Pierre, but no..... It's all about the Merck.

QFT This thread sucks more than the Radke thread. Nice try, but not quite. :D

Yeah, I'd much rather be discussing new deals than reminisce about old, crappy deals. :D

If you wish to use hindsight in viewing trades, I suppose I could see where you miss the robbery. I admit that the Cubs front office is more to blame for these deals than the Orioles. They couldn't have reduced the value of the those two players any more than they did prior to their trades. Whhat else should you use besides hindsight? Isn't that how all trades are ultimately judged? Corey Patterson reduced his own value, the Cubs didn't have to do anymore. Same with Sosa. Neither deal should have been made. Period. They were better off keeping them than giving them away for next to nothing. Patterson on our bench last year instead of Bynum or Pagan would be better than trading him for the two prospects that will never amount to anything. Sosa could have netted someone like Cliff Floyd if the front office didn't do everything possible to destroy his image. Besides ruining his trade value, he also pounced on a crappy offer just to be out from under the Sosa deal.

If you wish to use hindsight in viewing trades, I suppose I could see where you miss the robbery. I admit that the Cubs front office is more to blame for these deals than the Orioles. They couldn't have reduced the value of the those two players any more than they did prior to their trades.

Why? Cubs always seem to get the VERY short end of the stick when they trade with Baltimore.

Would you trade them along with say, Cedeno or Izturis, for Miguel Tejada? If the Cubs signed Schmidt? Yes!

Seconded.

This thread sucks, therefore, IBL!

Rotoworld is reporting that the Cubs might be interested in a Rodrigo Lopez/Jacque Jones swap with Baltimore. Ugh.

QFT

Even if there isn't room in the rotation for Guzman, he could be one very tough reliever.

Already fixed it. Damn typos.

First of all, Gallagher has never pitched an inning for the Cubs. He's actually yet to pitch above AA ball. He'll just be turning 21 at the end of this month. As far as the other guys? Greg Maddux posted 5.52 and 5.61 ERA's in his first two major league seasons. While I don't believe any of these guys are future HOFers, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss them as garbage. Marshall looked quite studly for many starts.

I hope to see it. And I'm not about trading him. I don't think it will take Hill to get Jennings. The Cubs can offer a nice package to get him with guys like Jones, Marmol, Marshall, Mateo, Ohman, Novoa, etc...

Haven't seen that offer. Gallagher and Guz is definitely too steep. Heck, I think I'd rather trade Rich Hill for Jennings than give up Gallagher AND Guz. so you'd rather have gooz and gallagher in the system than hill? no way. hill's been nothing but durable his entire career, and he's had a long(ish) period of big league success. if you take hill out of the '07 rotation and insert guzman, you're asking for a rotation with tons of potential holes and injuries. The Cubs seem to be one of the top options for Schmidt. Only Seattle seems to have the edge on him. If the Cubs want him, he seems to be there for the taking. If the Cubs also got Jennings for Hill, you have: Zambrano, Schmidt, Jennings, Prior, Miller, Guzman, Mateo, Marmol, Marshall. Going into 2008, or possibly even sooner, you have Gallagher, Veal and Pawelek in the mix, with potentially someone else stepping up, like the Cubs #3 pick in the draft in June. The Cubs could end up with the best overall pick if the top two teams go cheap for signability reasons. I like Hill and wouldn't want to give him up for Jennings. But, I'd rather trade Hill than trade Guzman AND Gallagher. I also don't believe Hendry would close the book if he got Jennings and Schmidt. He might still have enough in the coffers to get Lilly or Meche. Lofton should be fairly cheap, as might be Cliff Floyd.

Maybe that's the case, but if it means overspending to get that innings eater, it may not be worth it. Personally, I'd offer the world for Schmidt and be happy with that. Zambrano, Schmidt, Hill, Prior, Miller, Guzman and one of Mateo, Marmol or Marshall is enough to get started. If Jacque Jones and one of Mateo, Marmol or Marshall isn't enough, I'd be just as happy with keeping Jones.

I'm in Tim's camp that Guzman is ready for a break out year. With guys like Marshall, Mateo and Marmol in the fold, those are the guys I'd like to see offered up instead of Veal, Gallagher or Guzman. Guzman will be well rested and have the injury problems well in his past.