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I'm kind of shocked too. I guess the other option was Fonzy for 3 years at 2.5 mill per.

Not sure. Based on my own experience with a nasty hand/wrist injury, I think it would it take around 4 weeks before he could start rehab, then another 4-6 weeks of rehab and strengthening. Of course, he also has to get his shooting touch and legs back after such a long layoff (cardio work off the court isn't really the same as staying game shape). So maybe between 2 and 3 months?

This Deng thing scares me a bit. That would be a big loss. I think Butler could be very effective playing 10-15 minutes a night, but the idea of supplementing that with Korver, Brewer and Scalibrine makes me uneasy.

Is this a joke? ESPN's integrity has been in question for years. I think we are beyond that now... EDIT: Oh wait, old-timers picked the list...too many hits to the head I guess. Sid Luckman and YA Tittle were better passers than Tebow.

How depressing. I wonder if the Giants guy isn't a "family man" and therefore doesn't rate the job.

Well, he went on t.v. and declared his innocence in a coherent and utterly convincing fashion. I think the lesson that Joe Pa and Jerry would have us learn is that if you ignore horrific conduct and/or deny that it occurred then you shouldn't be held responsible. Rather, a shrine should be erected in your honor and meaningless, cliched statements like, "Believe deep down in your heart that you're destined to do great things", will be held up by your followers as a pearl of true wisdom. EDIT: Now that i think of it, Joe Pa's quotes remind me of the one's spewed by Pat Swayze's character in "Donnie Darko". The character was later found to have a "kiddie porn dungeon" in his home. Good thing that movie was a work of fiction....

Watching him. You know he's chill from all the relaxing by the pool you guys do together? I formed my opinion based on evidence that you have conveniently discounted because it doesn't support your argument or position. Bc there aren't similar statements from every NFL QB? It's not persuasive, that's why I discount it. I think you formed your opinion bc he's a Michigan Man (as you said). Not really. I genuinely like Drew Brees (Purdue). Another one I think quite a bit of is Aaron Rodgers and he's a freaking Packer.

I hope so too, but at this point, I'm 95% sure it will be the dude from KC who used to be here. 1. He used to work for the Bears. 2. He's worked with Ruskell before. 3. Apparantly the new guy has to keep Ruskell and Lovie. He seems the most likely to do so for more than 1 year. But Ross is everything this franchise needs. A young up-and-coming football mind who could be here for the long haul and create some stability in the organization. I'm all in on Ross and will be extremely disappointed with Emery. agreed. +2

You've never seen a Patriots game if you think that. I didn't say he "never" does it. Every player at every position and at every skill level argues calls at one time or another. I didn't say he is the Job of football. My opinion is that, relative to his peers (again, not the Caleb Hanies of the world. Rather, superstar / celebrity QB's.), he is humble and relaxed. Wow. I just don't see that at all. I see Cutler as more of the relaxed type. Cutler has a generally calm demeanor and a shoot from the hip type attitude. Brady seems intense and meticulous about every detail. I think we are looking at two different aspects of persona. Or maybe we are the saying the same thing in different ways. Either way, no need to go round-and-round. Agree to disagree.

You've never seen a Patriots game if you think that. I didn't say he "never" does it. Every player at every position and at every skill level argues calls at one time or another. In other words, I didn't say he is the Job of football. My opinion is that, relative to his peers (Again, not the Caleb Hanie's of the world. Rather, superstar / celebrity QB's.), he is humble and relaxed.

Watching him. You know he's chill from all the relaxing by the pool you guys do together? I formed my opinion based on evidence that you have conveniently discounted because it doesn't support your argument or position.

I think you are missing my point, gooney (whoops - originally wrote "Sulley"). My opinion is directed at his professional demeanor relative to other people at his level of celebrity in the same profession. I can't comment on his personal life because I don't have enough info (I have heard from people in both Indy and Tennessee that Peyton Manning walks into a bar and announces his presence ("Peyton is here!!!"), but that alone doesn't tell me enough to form a judgment on who he is personally). So at least on the football field and with the press, yes, Brady seems more humble than his peers. As for the bold part, I simply disagree. A good example would be when the TD he thought he scored last night was overturned. Near as I could tell, Brady went back to huddle without giving the ref(s) a hard time.

BS. An NFL QB is going to praise his teammates. That media speak 101. Posting a clip criticizing himself to the media isn't particularly persuasive, given his job. So you don't actually have an example of Brady being egotistical. You're just dismissing his quote as being typical. I'm dismissing his quote as being typical of an NFL QB. Yes. You think his quote is unique? And no I'm not going to hunt for a similarly meaningless quote where he said something more damning. It'd be equally worthless to the discussion and requests for such stupid 'evidence' make no sense. If these quotes are meaningless and worthless, how have you formed your opinion of Brady? Do you know him personally?

How is this persuasive? This isn't his first rodeo. He's not a moron. No ones arguing that. He is consistent in making this sort of statement. Contrast that with Peyton, who has his moments, but just as frequently implies or directly assigns blame to others. Favre did/does the same thing. The point is that Brady is on par in terms of celebrity with Peyton and Favre, but he, IMO, is easily the most humble (at least publicly). In terms of his intensity and demanding nature, it plays out in how Brady communicates with the players and coaches in the lockeroom and on the sideline (rather than through the press). That's fine with me. People with good leadership skills do that all the time. Working very hard and expecting the same of your teammates isn't a bad thing. That's crap. People say that because he said "we had some protection problems" in the playoff loss to the Steelers in 2006-06 -- but forget to note, he makes the protection reads and calls. Then he should have said "I", rather than "we". He very likely was implying that his O-Line and backs failed to understand the calls he was making.

How is this persuasive? This isn't his first rodeo. He's not a moron. No ones arguing that. He is consistent in making this sort of statement. Contrast that with Peyton, who has his moments, but just as frequently implies or directly assigns blame to others. Favre did/does the same thing. The point is that Brady is on par in terms of celebrity with Peyton and Favre, but he, IMO, is easily the most humble (at least publicly). In terms of his intensity and demanding nature, it plays out in how Brady communicates with the players and coaches in the lockeroom and on the sideline (rather than through the press). That's fine with me. People with good leadership skills do that all the time. Working very hard and expecting the same of your teammates isn't a bad thing.

Eli Manning strikes me as a whiner who makes that "the reciever ran the wrong route" face every time something goes wrong. Of all the reasons to dislike Brady, having played at Michigan is not very high on the list but it's still on the list. If Brady wins, I'd still take Joe Montana. It seems like the Giants defense gets more credit for the first super bowl win. Also his recievers that made incredible catches at critical times. Whether that's fair or not is open to debate. If the Giants win this one, he'll probably get most of the credit. Yeah, we all know that QB's get too much credit / blame. My question is, within the ranks of QB's, where would Eli rank?

Relative to the size of his celebrity, absolutely yes.

All of those guys - with the possible exception of Tillman - are vanilla players rather than play-making / game-changing talents. The number of game-changing playmakers Jerry and Lovie have brought here can be calculated on one hand.

Dungy was criticized by many for not being a good game coach. They derided his philosophy of "do what we do" and refusal to make adjustments especially in playoff games when other teams were throwing in new wrinkles. I'm not sure I completely buy it, but it's out there. I don't remember Dungy being criticized for timeout/challenge issues like Lovie is though. The timeout and challenge issues aren't that big of a deal. The timeouts being used early hasn't cost the Bears a game. The challenges only cost the Bears the Redskins game last year, and they still ended up with a home game for a chance to go to the Superbowl. Sure it's pretty bad to watch and see early timeouts each half and bad challenges, but that's way down on the list of the things coaches need to be able to do well. We've been fortunate that the timeouts haven't cost us. Truth is that we haven't been in very many games where we needed them with 2 minutes left in a half. I like Lovie overall, but I agree that he has pretty vanilla philosophy, which, IMO, was magnified by Anegelo's vanilla appraoch to talent evaluation and retention. It resulted in some decent seasons. Improvements can be made -- and need to be made -- but Lovie's "system" could be worse. It could be Jauron's. I don't think Phillips should be setting his goals around a philosophy of "It could be worse...". I agree it would be worse if we had Marty Mornhinweg, Joe Bugel, or Chris Palmer, but why do we have to settle for the middle ground above those guys? Same deal with the GM.

Pulling for the Jints. I like Eli. Very chill and seemingly humble guy. Actually I view Brady much the same way and respect his accomplishments, especially since he's a Michigan Man. Damn it, now I am confused. Two thoughts: 1) If Brady wins, is he the greatest QB of all-time? If not, who is and where does Brady rank? 2) If Eli wins where does he rank? Is he the most underrated QB of all-time?

Dungy was criticized by many for not being a good game coach. They derided his philosophy of "do what we do" and refusal to make adjustments especially in playoff games when other teams were throwing in new wrinkles. I'm not sure I completely buy it, but it's out there. I don't remember Dungy being criticized for timeout/challenge issues like Lovie is though. The timeout and challenge issues aren't that big of a deal. The timeouts being used early hasn't cost the Bears a game. The challenges only cost the Bears the Redskins game last year, and they still ended up with a home game for a chance to go to the Superbowl. Sure it's pretty bad to watch and see early timeouts each half and bad challenges, but that's way down on the list of the things coaches need to be able to do well. We've been fortunate that the timeouts haven't cost us. Truth is that we haven't been in very many games where we needed them with 2 minutes left in a half. I like Lovie overall, but I agree that he has pretty vanilla philosophy, which, IMO, was magnified by Anegelo's vanilla appraoch to talent evaluation and retention.

Classic fraud, created by an overzealous media and cult of personality. Joe Paterno probably wasn't the devil, but he was very, very far from being the man he was depicted to be up until recently.

F this. Such a typical Bears hire. Let's not get the younger, dynamic guy from an org that clearly knows how to draft impact players. Let's get a guy who will make the "safe" and "traditional" picks.

Just for fun: Since Ditka left: 1993 Conway Wide Receiver Southern California 1994 11 Thierry Defensive end Alcorn State 1995 21 Salaam Half Back Colorado 1996 13 Walt Harris Defensive back Mississippi State 1997 — No Pick — — [t] 1998 5 Enis Half Back Penn State 1999 12 McNown Quarterback UCLA 2000 9 Urlacher Linebacker/Safety New Mexico 2001 8 Terrell Wide Receiver Michigan 2002 29 Colombo Offensive tackle Boston College 2003 14 Haynes Defensive end Penn State [v] 2003 22 Grossman Quarterback Florida [v] 2004 14 Tommie Harris Defensive tackle Oklahoma 2005 4 Benson Half Back Texas 2006 — No Pick — — [w] 2007 31 Olsen Tight End Miami 2008 14 Chris Williams Offensive tackle Vanderbilt 2009 — No Pick — — [x] 2010 — No Pick — — [x] 2011 29 Carimi Offensive tackle Wisconsin If you believe as I do that 1st Rnd picks (particualrly when taken in the first half of the round) should be true impact players who are with your franchise for 7-10 years, then we have done a pretty piss poor job based on that list. Of course two of those picks were turned into Jay Cutler, which is great....but the one in 1997 was turned into Rick Mirer....not so great. There are a couple that qualify as the worst, IMO: Thierry (Hatley) and Haynes (Angelo). Most disappointing to me would be Salaam (Hatley), Enis (Hatley) and Terrell (Angelo).

do you remember the bubble-screen game? it was when crowton was still the coordinator and iirc, he pretty much invented the bubble-screen on that day. i'd never seen it used before this game, but we had 3 long touchdowns between booker and robinson on those things. miller had like 460 yards passing or something dumb like that. i can't remember who we played that day, but i think we won. EDIT: it was this game, and we lost. randy moss and cris carter destroyed us, and jeff george actually had a year in which he lived up to his potential. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199911140chi.htm Yes, I do recall that game. I especially rememeber the first game vs the Chiefs, where Curtis P. Enis caught a screen and did a somersault into the endzone. I thought that Crowton was onto something. Oh well. And how did those Vikes teams not win at least one SB? Moss, Carter, Jake Reed, Cullpepper/Cunningham/George, Robert Smith, John Randle, etc.