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He started to lose it in game 4 of the NLCS. Then blew game 5. Then blew game 2 of the WS, then blew game 4 of the WS.

That's a fair point, though I don't think its the reason the Stros got their buts handed to them. No, not the reason they got their butts handed to them, but the reason they lost game 4.

Do they have the AG Edwards Dome as a backup option to play at if the construction of the new Busch is not done in time? maybe that can collapse to maybe st louis can fall in the river or something All 3 of those stadiums are close to the Arch. Maybe if that tipped over.... Once when I was like 13 I was up in the top of the Arch looking out over the Mississippi and this guy turned to me and said, "you know this thing fell over in 79', right?"

Agreed. I wish Dusty could get even a little fired up and take it to the team sometimes. Edited to also agree w/Indiff's last post :wink: A Dusty outburst would be tremendous. Maybe he doesn't care enough to get mad? he's embarassed because last time he had a public tantrum it resulted in one of the funniest fark photoshop threads ever. post plz I think this is the one he was talking about. http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=919494&mode=voteresults That's bloody hysterical. And seriously, what should Garner do to counter the fact the Baseball G-ds are on the side of the Southsiders? How about not bring in Lidge in the 8th. That move was soooo bad I just started laughing and knew the White Sox were going to win.

I think you give managers in general too much credit. When the other team is pitching as well as you and hitting your pitchers, there's not much a manager CAN do. And I'm not sure how much blame you can put on Garner RE: Clemens' two inning performance or Oswalt looking like crap. I do agree with indifferent, though, that he could take a few more risks. He can order things like try a squeze, hit and run, steal, intentionally walk certain hitters, make pitching changes at the right time, get the best matchups possible out of his bullpen and off his bench late in the game. To me, Garner seems bad at doing any and all of that. I think he's a poor in game manager, basically. I agree that if his players don't execute there isn't much he or any manager can do, but Garner can't even do what a manager in theory can do (above) to get/prevent runs. In short, Garner sucks.

Phil Garner isn't a very good manager and never has been. It's not too hard to win games with pitchers like Oswalt, Clemens, Pettitte and Lidge. But when the other team can pitch with you, or can hit your pitcher, he has nothing to go on.

Unfortunetaly, I can't view the video, so I'm not in position to respond. But I will take this to mean that there were two guys in the clip, both devestatingly handsome.

Ah, Reggie. Good times.

He's not worth what he'll get. If we could get him cheap then of course, but he's just not worth the long term investment he'll want. If we can get him for 10 per or under I think we should sign him. I think we've got to take a chance with a pitcher like him. If some of our young arms emerge as legit starters over the next two years then we can always trade him. I'd have to agree with Wolf here. Burnett has a career ERA plus of 110, serious injury concerns, and he'll be 29 next year. His age leads me to believe perhaps he's a guy with great stuff, but might never be able to put it all together. Why did he collapse down the stretch this year when the Marlins needed him the most? It will also compromise what I believe to be our biggest need, a productive RF. I read your initial post, VA, but I'll have to go back and see how you solved our outfield. I don't think 10 mil will do it for Burnett, but even if it does, we'll be bone dry and left with more holes than we started with. Well if 10 million doesn't do it for Burnett then we pass. Even that is probably too much money for him. I'm being super greedy and thinking that we can get Giles and Burnett. In order to do that we let Morris go, let Walker go, that frees up some cash. 2006 is Edmond's last season before a club option which we do not exercise. We trade Marquis and whatever he would make in arbitration and bring up Reyes who is cheap and will probably won't do any worse than Marquis. There is an assumption here that the owners are going to spend more money next year like the said they would. I haven't done the math, so if it doesn't work for both Giles and Burnett, we still get Burnett and trade for a young impact outfielder from possibly Texas, Tampa, or Cleveland, or wherever for that matter.

He's not worth what he'll get. If we could get him cheap then of course, but he's just not worth the long term investment he'll want. If we can get him for 10 per or under I think we should sign him. I think we've got to take a chance with a pitcher like him. If some of our young arms emerge as legit starters over the next two years then we can always trade him.

Probably Adam Wainwright.

hahah you lost I can't wait until the White Sox win the World Series. I know. Oh well. We'll be right back in it again next year.

That same article mentioned Jocketty wanting to improve the bullpen, and to leave the rotation largely intact. If "largely intact" means waving goodbye to Morris and signing AJ Burnett, I'm happy. But if it means just bringing Reyes up I will not be pleased. I really think we have to go hard after Burnett. I know he is a risky investement but pitchers like him do not grow on trees. We certainly don't have anything like him in our system. Our rotation is perfect for winning us the division, but it couldn't even shut down the Astros linuep when it counted. I think Giles should be our top priority, IMO our bats let us down in the NLCS. They let us down big time. But I don't think just adding Giles, another guy well into his thirties, is gonna help all that much. Our pitching staff couldn't even shut down Houston, and what are the chances that next time we'll get to face such a lame offense as theirs? I'm hoping that the Cards can sign Burnett and use Marquis as part of a trade for a younger impact outfielder.

hahah you lost I can't wait until the White Sox win the World Series.

Makes it more interesting than playing in a hermetically sealed juice box.

That same article mentioned Jocketty wanting to improve the bullpen, and to leave the rotation largely intact. If "largely intact" means waving goodbye to Morris and signing AJ Burnett, I'm happy. But if it means just bringing Reyes up I will not be pleased. I really think we have to go hard after Burnett. I know he is a risky investement but pitchers like him do not grow on trees. We certainly don't have anything like him in our system. Our rotation is perfect for winning us the division, but it couldn't even shut down the Astros linuep when it counted.

God I hope he retires for real this time around. I don't think I can take any more of the Roger sploogefest that is television, radio, print media, etc.

Yes, but very rarely. It's a little too anti-TLR for my taste, but the posters there know the game and they have some good conversations going. If I was a Tony hater or more of an armchair GM I'd feel right at home.

I don't see the Yankees making that trade, or the Cardinals wanting to sign Damon.

People usually try that, but many of the posters on cards talk aren't much more than trolls on their own forum, so they can't resist.

I agree. Cubs fans here have been pretty cool about the whole thing. Yeah. There was though an awesome troll at Cards talk going by BudweiserSUX I think. Classic stuff: "By the way, Will that TRANNY actually NOT wear makeup NOT pluck his eyebrows and eyelashes next year???? I kept wondering if that was Eva Longoria BEHIND the mask!!!!! Get a real catcher like Hector Villanueva!!!!!!!!!" and about Pujols "Give me an F****ing break, please. How about "EL MOJADO"??? Get the F*CK back to PR or the DR or wherever it was you migrated from, ese. We'll always have Sammy Sosa and 70 HR's.....what do you have???? An 0-4 choker in Game 6. Sorry, I wasn't supposed to say that. go "PHAT ALBERT"!!!! Bring that sh*t to Wrigley, Vato!!!" and "70. 60. Whatever. We should give him 85 compared to Mark McSteroid's Banner Season that year, just to make things even. How many WS games have you won recently??? waiting???? Northside ROX"

I can't say I would liked to have seen anything different. Larry Walker is still Larry Walker, despite all the injuries. J Rod I don't really trust, though he did hit what would have been a go ahead homerun in game 4 were it not for that idiotic hill in center field. TLR put the starters out there and they didn't get it done. I don't think throwing Luna, Gooch, or Rodriguez out there would have made any difference. The only guy that might have made a difference would have been Scott Rolen.

Everything 92+ is too fast for everyone except Edmonds (when healthy), Rolen, and Pujols. I'm not sure Jimmy can hit 92+ anymore.

I'm not saying that the WC team isn't good. But we all know that postseason baseball plays by different rules than regular season baseball. It just seems like the WC teams are better suited to short series. Maybe that isn't as true for 7 games, but it is for 5. A WC team with 90 wins might play a division winner with 115, but that WC team has one lights out pitcher, say Jason Schmidt, and pitches him twice, wins both, squeeks out a third win, and bye-bye 115 win team. If the WC then goes on to lose in 7 during the LCS that seems like an injustice to me. The least they could do is make the divisional series 7 games.

Well they don't have home field advantage but the other factors I listed earlier far outway that handicap, IMO.