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  1. I'm hoping we win all four actually, but I see your point. How is it to see a game in Atlanta? I've never been inside of that stadium. Even though the Nationals are having a great season so far, I don't see them competing against Atlanta or Florida in the end. They'll end up with a decent record, but they'll be a few games out of the wild card race, IMO. We'll be battling with whoever doesn't with the East out of Florida and Atlanta. Hopefully they can knock each other around, and hopefully we can knock the Cards around. Should be fun
  2. I'm going to stay out of this debate today, as it just went in circles yesterday. But I saw this article, and thought it was interesting. So I'll post it here for all the Maddux fans, and Cub fans, to enjoy. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=rogers_phil&id=2095672
  3. I'm with you on this one. I need to get a ton done soon so I can leave on time for once. It's been fun guys, but it's time to get back to work.
  4. I'm curious what impact players you think we could get with that 9 million that would give this team a chance to win every time they go out there. What guys do you know that would sign for a small amount, and would be almost guaranteed to be a success to help the team? Everyone said that we didn't need Alou this year because Dubois was ready to help the team, and he was cheaper. Well, he hasn't panned out yet. So who is out there, that would sign with the Cubs and give them a better chance to win than Maddux would? And don't say Mitre, Hill, and Williams, because it's already been proven that even the three of them combined aren't capable of what he's done for this team.
  5. I see your point. But why is everyone complaining about Maddux's huge contract and not Kerry Wood's? Maddux is the one delivering, while Wood sits on the DL and makes his 9.5 mil a year. If you have a problem with one, you should have a problem with both of them making that much.
  6. Wins mean next to nothing. They really do, they are a team statistic. There are too many influences outside the pitcher's control that affect whether or not they get a win to make them valuable in evaluating performance. If Wood pitches like he has his entire career and gets 2 wins, it won't matter to me, because he will be the unluckiest pitcher ever. On the other hand, if Maddux wins 24 games with a 4+ ERA, he'll be the luckiest pitcher ever, and I'd still rather replace him next year. Yes, I'm well aware that wins are an inflated statistic, but you can't tell me that Maddux just got lucky with run support 312 times while Wood hasn't. The fact that he keeps winning should prove that he does have something to do with getting those wins.
  7. I'd take Maddux and Bautista. Mitre/Hill/Williams/Drew - Two guys who aren't pitching that great, one guy who was just pushed back to the minors, and one guy who is being paying $9,400,000 to underproduce. Basically the argument there is would I rather have Maddux or Drew. We already have MItre, Hill, and WIlliams along with Maddux. And since Drew isn't doing as well as Maddux, I'll take Maddux.
  8. The point of pitching is to keep people from scoring, something that the group of Hill/Williams/Mitre can do much more economically. Well, when those guys start doing that, let me know. For now, we're going to have to agree to disagree.
  9. You honestly believe that even with the fact that Maddux's ERA, though rising the past few years, is still better than those two guys? And the fact that's he's well on his way to another 15+ win season while those two can't put back to back good starts together? You'd honestly feel more comfortable in our chances of winning with them on the mound than Greg Maddux? I don't even know why I'm still in this discussion. It's bordering on insanity. Yes, I do feel more comfortable with those 2, because they aren't going to be much worse(if not better) than Maddux, while we have 9 million more to improve elsewhere. That's the difference between a J.D. Drew, and a Danny Bautista, to pull 2 names out of thin air. JD Drew is being paid MORE than Maddux to underproduce. Are you sure you don't want to rethink that?
  10. You wouldn't pay that much for 3 seasons of 15+ wins? Wow, considering we're paying Wood MORE for ZERO seasons of 15+ wins. He was old last year when he led the team in wins. He's old this year while he's leading the team in wins. He was old in Atlanta when he was leading the team in wins. I don't see the logic in wanting to play younger guys who won't win as much. It might just be me, but I thought the point of baseball was to WIN GAMES.
  11. Well, except for the laws of nature. Tell that to Roger Clemens and Randy Johnson. Oh, and up to this year, Barry Bonds. Old age is no longer that big of an excuse for some of these guys. They are capable of performing well past the age of 35. Awesome, time has stopped, there is no more aging. Maddux hasn't been in decline. He'll go on forever. This is great news. That's not what I meant. He only has probably a year and a half left before he retires. Does anyone honestly think he'll decline to the point where he'll be worse than our farm guys in a year and a half? He'll still be a better option
  12. A slowly declining Maddux is a better option than a slowly improving Mitre or Williams (who actually isn't improving, he's declining) right now. And that's all I'm concerned about. The longest we will have Maddux will be through next year. I'd be perfectly content with paying him 9 mil for 3 straight 15+ win seasons.
  13. Well, except for the laws of nature. Tell that to Roger Clemens and Randy Johnson. Oh, and up to this year, Barry Bonds. Old age is no longer that big of an excuse for some of these guys. They are capable of performing well past the age of 35. You honestly believe that even with the fact that Maddux's ERA, though rising the past few years, is still better than those two guys? And the fact that's he's well on his way to another 15+ win season while those two can't put back to back good starts together? You'd honestly feel more comfortable in our chances of winning with them on the mound than Greg Maddux? I don't even know why I'm still in this discussion. It's bordering on insanity.
  14. Sorry, I meant 17 years in a row.
  15. Actually, numbers from 2 years ago are perfect indicators of what Maddux will do in the future... he's done it 15 years in a row, and there is no reason to believe he's going to stop. And you say Rusch had outproduced Maddux since he's been here? His ERA might be lower, but he has definitely not outproduced him. A few good spot starts last year and this year don't compare to day in and day out consistent good play. Otherwise, Maddux would be the one making spot starts while Rusch had a permanent spot in teh rotation.
  16. Well we don't have the Jerome Williams who's career ERA is 3.70. We have the Jerome Williams who had a 4.25 ERA last season, and a 4.91 ERA this season. You can't go buy his earlier years, because I'll bring up Maddux's earlier years, and I can guarantee who's are better. It's what he can do now that is important. I wouldn't say he would be a starter on every other team because he proved to the Giants that he wasn't worthy of that spot. Mitre has a 5.19 ERA, and a career ERA of 6.16. Even with Maddux's unusually high ERA this year, he's still finding ways to win, while those guys haven't.
  17. "This grounds crew continues to show why they are considered to be one of the best in teh business."
  18. He's had enough AB's this year for the Cubs to realize that no matter how much he plays, he wasn't going to put up Alou numbers this year. Otherwise they would just play him instead of looking for a new left fielder. And if you want to pay for 8 other pitchers when you can just pay one, that's your thing. Cause not one of those guys has proven they can pitch at Maddux's level, that's why they are competing for a 5th spot and bouncing up and down from the minors
  19. If you're going to look at it that way, lets take this same situation, and apply it to a different position. LF. We had Moises Alou last year. A lot of people were saying we'd have to overpay to keep him for this year. And there were cheaper, younger farm hands available (Jason Dubois, one of our top prospects who scorched the minors last year.) And now look what we're doing, we're looking for a new left fielder instead of paying a little bit more for a proven guy like Alou. Dubois might be a great player some day, but he's not exactly Moises Alou right now.
  20. Obviously the injuries are a factor, but that's the risk you took with him, and IIRC his problems popped up after his extension. Last year, although he was limited to 140 IP, he still posted a 1.2 WHIP with over a K an inning and nearly a 3/1 K/BB ratio. Wood is very good once healthy. IF his injuries are behind him, he will be well worth his contract. This I do believe will happen in time, but he has to put his injuries behind him first. Which has been hard to do lately. I can't wait for Wednesday. On that note, I'm going to lunch.
  21. I don't mean to knock Kerry Wood, but where in his career (outside of 2003, when he had his 14 wins and led the league in strikeouts) has he proven to be worth 9.5 million dollars? He has the potential to be worth that much, but he keeps getting injured. He's yet to prove he's a 9.5 million dollar pitcher. Every time he starts to get the ball rolling, something happens to him.
  22. I'm not sure that's true, but even if it is, it's true for a LOT of pitchers. Some of that is a generalization while most of it is true. I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who wins as consistantly and is as durable as Greg Maddux. Regardless, this doesn't really matter because the amount we might be overpaying is insignifigant. I would put this issue among issues such as uniform color, Wrigley Field grass length, and opposing Managers' parking availability in terms of important issues that need discussion. It's not nearly that trivial. If the choice between having comparable production from Maddux for 9 million or a farmhand at the minimum is out there, you have to try and get rid of Maddux. That's nearly 10% of the payroll, not insignificant by any stretch of the imagination. I see what you're saying there. But why isn't anyone talking about trying to get rid of Wood for a cheaper option? I know Maddux is near the end, but he's still productive, probably more productive than any farm guy you can bring up right now. EDIT: For the record, I'm not saying we should get rid of either of these guys. They're both tremendous pitchers, and I don't think we overpaid for either. I'm just stating that if one is expendable, why not the other.
  23. Maybe because they're thinking about performance going forward, not what they have produced? Dunno. I'm pretty sure when they signed Maddux, they were looking forward expecting 15 wins a year. Same thing with Wood. So far, only one of those guys has delivered.
  24. Alright, maybe Len isn't equal to Chip. Chip was too big of a homer. But Stoney blows Brenley away.
  25. Exactly. Len = Chip Stoney > Brenley Therefore, by simple math, last year's tandem was better than this years. Just seems to me that Len and Bob have no chemistry on the air. It's almost like they never talk outside of the booth.
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