snoodmonger

So is the thinking that they continually want the non-ND number to be odd to leave the spot for them? And Snood, I think you're confusing people who actually belong to the university with politicians. No one with authority to speak for Mizzou has said anything besides "we're happy to be a part of the Big 12". Not really true, but whatever. http://www.kansascity.com/2009/12/15/1632957/mus-deaton-confirms-willingness.html Even with nebraska pointing the finger at Mizzou, it's pretty obvious there's more to it than that. But they played a part. Not that I really blame them. I hope KU would have listened had it been in the same boat.

I can't wait to see Bo Pelini's nose pacing the Big 10 sidelines. On the plus side of this, when he goes apesh** and starts killing students during a game, there's little chance it will be KU students. How can you be so sure Montana's coach won't do the same thing? lol

I can't wait to see Bo Pelini's nose pacing the Big 10 sidelines. On the plus side of this, when he goes apesh** and starts killing students during a game, there's little chance it will be KU students.

Not really. Mizzou had nothing to do with the Big 10 deciding to expand. I know it isn't technically Missouri's fault. I'm sure all of this has been in the works for a while. But from a public perception standpoint, Missouri flashing its boobs at anyone who will look was the first and strongest outward facing sign of Big 12 fragility. And it certainly opened the door for other schools to start "exploring options" without looking disloyal and taking a PR blast. Likely, all this happens with out Missouri being the lipsticked whore that it is. (The Big 12 was a conference with great teams but a terrible conference set-up, bad contract, and miserable footprint from a TV set perspective.) But Missouri drunkenly stumbling around the party making out with every dude who'd have a go at her didn't help at all. Still, I really wouldn't worry about Missouri being left out in the cold in all this. Maybe it doesn't make it into the Big 10 (maybe it does), but all the things that made it a viable candidate in that scenario (AAU, flagship school, populated state) will make it a viable candidate in other scenarios.

Pac-10 allegedly stopping at CU. (per ESPN) Boone Pickens paying lip service to staying in the Big 12, saying he values loyalty too much to abandon KU, KSU, ISU. Leaving the conference doesn't sit well with him. (verified) Texas and aTm back to reconsidering staying with the Big 12. aTm doesn't want to go to the Pac-10 and would prefer the SEC if they break away from the Big 12. UT doesn't want SEC teams having better inroads into Texas recruiting. (rumor) It might be either Big 10 or stand pat for the Texas schools. (rumor) Sounds like a slim chance the Big 12 lives to see another day. ETA: Just read UT and Tech want to go to the p10 regardless of aTm.

Simply because Notre Dame can't carry as much weight against fewer larger conferences as they did against more smaller conferences. Each superconference as more consolidated power than before. Again, it's not about them being locked out completely. It's about having to settle on more limitations and a smaller piece of the pie because the conferences just don't have to budge the way they had to before. The likeliest candidate is a new ACC with added schools from the Big East. But the situation on the east coast will probably develop last. The longer that plays out and the longer Notre Dame holds out, the less bargaining power they'll have if they decide to negotiate with the Big Ten. but there isn't much difference. There were 5 conferences, but not all created equally. The Pac-10 was driven mostly by 1 school. Texas rules the Big 12. Then there's the SEC and the Big Ten. The major players are still the same. And several of the biggest players want to play against ND. It makes no sense. Agreed. Real quick though, since you're kind of an impartial observer to the big 12 breakup/merge into the big 10... in your opinion, would adding texas make more sense than adding iowa state? Not sure why ISU hasn't floated the idea of partnering with ND to start their own conference. Add KSU, KU, maybe the Chiefs. You've got yourself a stew going.

works in october-december finding anyone to schedule you during conference play would be nigh impossible. that's what, 16 games they'd have to find every year? Not sure what the TV package demand would be either. I love to think the networks would be lining up, but that's wishful thinking.

they don't have to worry anymore because the ncaa has new pac 10 superpowers to pimp

1. Your school still has a chance at landing on its feet. 2. Your school started this by lifting its skirt and wafting its muff scent over to the Big 10 in the first place.

i dont see why they would. it looks to be really just kansas getting screwed, and the texas schools maybe flying a little farther east or west than they used to. lol at the sec president saying "the sec is what the other conferences are striving to be." there's been talk if there's a money grab to form conferences that freeze out a lot of schools, Congress might say it violates antitrust laws and threaten the "guilty" schools with a loss of their tax-exempt status.

im just gonna have to hope Congress lowers the anti-trust boom on this.

I can't even imagine watching this happen without the slim hope I have. Apparently Alden and the whole Mizzou trust have been extremely calm and haven't said a word to the media. I really hope they have an ace up their sleeve. I bet KU doesn't get screwed over terribly, there's too many schools in the already pliable Big East and ACC for them to be left out on the whole. Flying out to the Big East to play cut-rate football isn't ideal, but I guess I have to hope for it. It's that or watching both programs die because we're taking on San Deigo State and New Mexico. Either way, hello mid-major status. The school will take a huge hit academically too. huge.

watching your school die right in front of your eyes is a crappy feeling.

CU allegedly received a Pac10 invite. UT, aTm, TTech, OU, Okie Lite are soon to be extended offers. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5270048

it's really weird to imagine not playing teams like Mizzou, Nebraska, OU, OSU and ISU. They're mentioned in one of our fight songs. It's hard to imagine getting pumped to play the scrubs in whatever conference we end up in. I think KU/NU was the longest uninterrupted rivalries. (Or one of them.) Over 100 years consecutively played. Bums me out.

in addition to neb, or no neb?

Kstate has to go along with you. No one wants Kstate. You're screwed. that's categorically not true. The Kansas BOR said it would like to keep them together but it's not mandatory. If that's the case KU needs to come out with a statement saying we tried to stay together, but it wasn't working. Then get in to one of the big conferences before you are stuck in the Mountain West. I think it's too late for that. The perception has already killed us.

seems like UVa would be a better fit than Maryland.

lol KU is a better school than Missouri. Rated higher in almost every rating guide, much larger endowment. If you can live w Missouri, you should be able to live KU from an academic standpoint. I believe Kansas is tied to KSU. So they're screwed. What are KU's academic strengths? Not trying to be an [expletive] I just have no clue. very well regarded in architecture, urban planning, print journalism, and special education. One of the top public business schools in the midwest. Has a law school that is pretty average I think. Also a med school and med center. don't know how they're regarded. I'm not saying it's a Big 10 quality school--those schools all have much better reps. But its academic reputation is just as strong as the other public schools in the Big 12, aside from UT and aTm.

Kstate has to go along with you. No one wants Kstate. You're screwed. that's categorically not true. The Kansas BOR said it would like to keep them together but it's not mandatory.

Pac-10 should ditch okie st and baylor and add KU and Mizzou if mizzou is being left out.

lol KU is a better school than Missouri. Rated higher in almost every rating guide, much larger endowment. If you can live w Missouri, you should be able to live KU from an academic standpoint.

The questions is where is the money coming from? Even if it's just the Big Ten and possibly the SEC that make some additions, they'll being going into TV negotiations (within the next year, I believe) with the real possibility of not having a viable long-term plan to remain competitive. don't know how legit the rumor is, but allegedly Fox wants to marry the pac 10 and big 12 in a giant tv deal (while keeping the leagues separate. http://www.bedlamsports.net/2010/06/fox-sports-wants-to-marry-the-big-12/

There's really no way to tell what kind of value Rutgers adds if the Big Ten eventually adds Notre Dame. There was a Bloomberg article the other day about its impact on New York and New Jersey cable subscribers, in addition to Philadelphia. It's still possible there could be some additional value there. Probably not to the extent of Notre Dame and Missouri, though. And regardless, Big Ten Network revenue was just under 25% of the money that each athletic department took in from revenue sharing. There are other factors. Here's how I'd currently summarize the Big Ten situation based on reports over the last 24 hours: Nebraska will most likely be the first change. Their addition would bring the Big Ten up to 12, meaning they'll take either 2 or 4 more schools right now, but not 1 or 3. This would likely trigger other Big 12 schools to jump to the Pac-10, most likely resulting in the collapse of the conference. Notre Dame doesn't want to join the Big Ten, yet they know they'll be screwed in a world of super conferences. But they also don't want to be part of a large Big Ten. Their preference is to be the 12th team and have it stop there, which, of course, isn't something they actually want to happen. If the Big Ten doesn't invite a 12th team, the dominoes may never start to fall and Notre Dame stays independent. If they invite Nebraska, Notre Dame would probably be part of a pair of additional schools to bring it up to 14. Some lucky school like Missouri or Rutgers would get to go along for the ride in part because odd numbers are not divisible by 2. Notre Dame would probably make the rest of the Big Ten agree to not go beyond 14 (by the way, right now 8 of the 11 schools would have to be in favor of inviting a school). That would leave an expanded but not bloated Big Ten. And also a really rich Big Ten. In my opinion, I don't see Notre Dame biting the bullet and becoming the 12th team. And I'm sure Jim Delaney and the rest of the Big Ten would prefer if things fell out as I outlined above to get to 14 instead of stopping at 12. Then there's Texas and the rest of the Texas schools, who seem to be playing a different game right now. that all sounds about right. if missouri is left out in the cold, I could see them catching on in the SEC. Other variables include--how much sway does texas really have when negotiating a migration to the pac 10? Does aTm decide to go to the SEC? Does CU have a Pac-10 invite or not? Can the Pac-10 really stomach schools like Baylor, Tech, and Okie St? How do the remaining conferences (ACC/ Big East/MW) respond?

Lot of buzz on the Nebraska sites that Nebraska to the Big 10 is a done deal and could be announced as early as tonight. Additional buzz that ND and Mizzou are next.