How great is UNC if you take away Dean Smith? How great is Duke if you take out Coach K? How great is Kentucky if you take out Coach Rupp? How great is UCLA without Wooden? How good is Kansas without cheating?(sorry, had to put that in there) Did you read my post beyond the first sentence, or were you that anxious to make the dig on Kansas? Did you even read my post or were you just that anxious to get that dig in on me. Coaches make programs. Why the hell would IU be any different? It's the reason KU wanted Self and not just to promote an assistant. Also how long was Knight at IU? 30 years. Yeah I imagine you take away the 30 best years from any school and they probably wouldn't have near the same results. Really not all that hard a thing to figure out. And the Kansas thing, while a dig, is very true. Find me another school who has won a title while on probation. Then after you do that, find the other schools who have won a title, then went directly on probation afterwards. But, that's probably just picking on the Jayhawks. You are so bitter that our program blows the doors off of yours. Sorry dude. Maybe you'll pick up another Final Four in the next fifteen years. Yep, but what part that I put was not a fact?? Both the things we were on probation for gained us little competitive advantage, if any. Heck, the guy we got dinged for in 89 never even played for the team. Bottom line is we got the titles. You'd take 'em in a heartbeat.