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  • The Cubs Are Buyers, and Had Better Get Buying


    Matt Trueblood

    This has gotten simple in a big hurry. The Cubs aren't overly optimistic fence-sitters or a buyer/seller hybrid. They're playoff contenders, and they need to spend the next two days getting better.

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    The front office of the 2023 Chicago Cubs isn't in a tough spot. The front office of the 1997 White Sox was. That was a team that tumbled to below .500 by losing six of seven games during the final third of July. That team had a negative run differential, and they just got Robin Ventura back a week before the trade deadline, after he missed nearly 100 games due to injury. That front office made the infamous White Flag Trade that July 31, sending two of the team's key starting pitchers and its closer to the Giants.

    That might or might not have been the right call, but it was (rightfully) wildly unpopular. That's because a ball club, however much owners and jaded media members might insist otherwise, is a public trust, and the chance to win a division or reach the postseason is a sacred one that the stewards of a club are obligated to respect. To abdicate that duty is to betray the fan base, even if there's a rational, farsighted case for doing it.

    Now, thanks to their first eight-game winning streak since the year they won the World Series, the Cubs have one of those sacred opportunities. They're not burdened by mixed signals from the team on the field, either in the whole data set of the season or in their recent play. This team is now two games over .500, with the winning streak just part of the reason why their playoff odds are steadily rising. They have four games against the Reds at home this week. They bookend August with home series against the Reds and Brewers, and they bookend September with road series against the Reds and Brewers. They're not on any reasonably drawn borderline between buyer and seller. They're way too in this not to give it their best.

    That doesn't mean they need to plow under their fields to try to build a dream in this one season. The hope is that this is the first of several competitive seasons over the next decade, and it would be foolish to fritter that chance away by calling too big on a flush draw. I don't like the extent to which we've made deadline activity a defining and primary indicator for every team, every year, anyway. It only means that Hoyer and Carter Hawkins (not to mention the Ricketts family) have a fiduciary duty to make an earnest effort here, and not in the direction of trading Marcus Stroman--or anyone else who can help this team win.

    We've already written about whom the team could target to upgrade their bullpen (from both the left and the right side), how they might acquire a controllable starter, and a few bats who could hold unique appeal. Now, though, it's time to talk about what a successful big-picture deadline strategy should comprise.

    Firstly, the Cubs do need relief reinforcements. Gambling on the consistency and reliability of Michael Fulmer, Julian Merryweather, Mark Leiter Jr., and several younger arms is a recipe for heartbreak at the end of the season. Besides, the Cubs are running out of healthy spare arms on their 40-man roster. They can't have a successful deadline without adding at least one helpful reliever.

    Secondly, the team should definitely stay engaged on (and eventually acquire) another bat to add to their mix. That could take the form of a bigger-ticket item, but C.J. Cron, Randal Grichuk, Mark Canha, Ramon Laureano, and Daniel Vogelbach are all candidates to help them. The bare minimum expectation should be that, over the next two days, the team makes these two small improvements.

    The only question left, to my eye, is whether or not a starting pitcher the team deems worth splurging on will become available at an appropriate cost. Drew Smyly shouldn't be relied upon, except in long or situational relief, down the stretch, but the team might not find a palatable price in this seller's market for a direct replacement for him.

    One way or another, the team just needs to demonstrate its resolve, by giving the team the buttresses they'll need to serious threaten to beat the Dodgers or Atlanta in the playoffs, should they get that far. They've run out of acceptable excuses not to do so.

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    9 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

    Laureano’s the only one of that brief list with any appeal at all. Aim higher, Cubs! 

    Yeah, the names in this piece are explicitly the bare minimum. Although also, doing any more/getting anyone better might be so difficult as to be indistinguishable from impossible. Hard to tell whether anyone actually good is actually available.

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    I'm really interested to see what Hoykins does. They need to clean up the pending 40 man mess and this feels like a great time to do it. Now is the time to get more long-term fixtures. Protect PCA and Horton, wouldn't be surprised to see Alcantara traded, Ferris seems like an arm that would have good weight to it, and see what Vazquez can get you.

     

    Cut bait with Mancini and get Mervis up pronto. You add a couple power bats to the lineup and bring in some help in the pen and this team becomes pretty scary. 

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    2 hours ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

    I'm really interested to see what Hoykins does. They need to clean up the pending 40 man mess and this feels like a great time to do it. Now is the time to get more long-term fixtures. Protect PCA and Horton, wouldn't be surprised to see Alcantara traded, Ferris seems like an arm that would have good weight to it, and see what Vazquez can get you.

     

    Cut bait with Mancini and get Mervis up pronto. You add a couple power bats to the lineup and bring in some help in the pen and this team becomes pretty scary. 

    They would be making a mistake trading Alcantara unless it was for a difference maker. He’s virtually the only prospect in the entire org with that potential. 

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    10 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

    They would be making a mistake trading Alcantara unless it was for a difference maker. He’s virtually the only prospect in the entire org with that potential. 

    Unless the Cubs move Happ or Seiya I don't see Alcantara playing for them. I really don't think they would ever trade PCA because of his floor and his swing/FB% + speed creates a sizable ceiling. Alcantara's clock makes him sort of expendable and they should capitalize on his droolworthy ceiling IMO.

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    12 minutes ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

    Unless the Cubs move Happ or Seiya I don't see Alcantara playing for them. I really don't think they would ever trade PCA because of his floor and his swing/FB% + speed creates a sizable ceiling. Alcantara's clock makes him sort of expendable and they should capitalize on his droolworthy ceiling IMO.

    Alcantara is 21 and at least 2 full years away. If/when he is ready the Cubs will have a spot for him. I wouldn’t worry about Suzucki or Happ blocking him. I’m not saying I wouldn’t consider dealing him for a guy that can help the cubs now and a few years after this one. But I wouldn’t deal him because they won’t have a spot for him. If he is good, they will have a spot. 

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    29 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

    Alcantara is 21 and at least 2 full years away. If/when he is ready the Cubs will have a spot for him. I wouldn’t worry about Suzucki or Happ blocking him. I’m not saying I wouldn’t consider dealing him for a guy that can help the cubs now and a few years after this one. But I wouldn’t deal him because they won’t have a spot for him. If he is good, they will have a spot. 

    The problem is that Alcantara will be out of options sooner than the Cubs' latitude to let him figure things out could run out.

     

    I also hope they utilize him to get a bat but if they are sniffing around David Bednar I think you are facing the probability that you're gonna give up at least one pretty significant prospect.

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    33 minutes ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

    The problem is that Alcantara will be out of options sooner than the Cubs' latitude to let him figure things out could run out.

     

    I also hope they utilize him to get a bat but if they are sniffing around David Bednar I think you are facing the probability that you're gonna give up at least one pretty significant prospect.

    This really isn't true at all.  He got a 4th minor league option year and doesn't have to be in the bigs full time until 2027.  

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    1 hour ago, Hrubes20 said:

    This really isn't true at all.  He got a 4th minor league option year and doesn't have to be in the bigs full time until 2027.  

    Doesn't that essentially boil down to one shuttle year? 

     

    If they don't trade him, You figure:

     

    Hopefully promoted to AA after TDL, maybe not, the injury complicates things and they might be cautious

    2024 AA most of the year, AAA toward end, hopefully 

    2025 AAA and a possible cup of coffee 

    2026 shuttle if he doesn't stick

     

    That's the only true option year he will have. They need to start accelerating his timeline a little bit. I would still be dangling him as my headliner. I wouldn't be thrilled about trading him for a reliever though FTR. 

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    13 minutes ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

    Doesn't that essentially boil down to one shuttle year? 

     

    If they don't trade him, You figure:

     

    Hopefully promoted to AA after TDL, maybe not, the injury complicates things and they might be cautious

    2024 AA most of the year, AAA toward end, hopefully 

    2025 AAA and a possible cup of coffee 

    2026 shuttle if he doesn't stick

     

    That's the only true option year he will have. They need to start accelerating his timeline a little bit. I would still be dangling him as my headliner. I wouldn't be thrilled about trading him for a reliever though FTR. 

    You have to imagine that with Alcantara being on the 40 man already, that he's a threat to get promoted to the bigs at any point he's at AA and performing.  He's been terrific since the weather warmed up in High A.  Here's hoping he doesn't have a similar aversion to hitting when it's under 60 degrees in 2024.

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    8 minutes ago, Hrubes20 said:

    You have to imagine that with Alcantara being on the 40 man already, that he's a threat to get promoted to the bigs at any point he's at AA and performing.  He's been terrific since the weather warmed up in High A.  Here's hoping he doesn't have a similar aversion to hitting when it's under 60 degrees in 2024.

    I agree with that. I'm hoping he gets promoted after the TDL and gets some solid AA exposure this year.

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    A small but meaningful deadline for Bednar RHCL, Eugenio Suarez 3B/IF, and Gabe Speier LHP seems appealing. Come to find out Speier throws as hard as Bummer with a nastier breaking ball (44% chase overall) and tons of GBs himself

    Edit: Oooooh, I do see now that there are too many TDL threads

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    4 hours ago, Hrubes20 said:

    You have to imagine that with Alcantara being on the 40 man already, that he's a threat to get promoted to the bigs at any point he's at AA and performing.  He's been terrific since the weather warmed up in High A.  Here's hoping he doesn't have a similar aversion to hitting when it's under 60 degrees in 2024.

    But the genesis of this whole point is that Alcantara's option clock forces him to be rushed in a way that prevents him from reaching the potential that makes folks so hesitant to include him in a trade.  Saying 'he's on the 40 man so if he's hitting well in AA he'll probably get called up' isn't a refutation of that point, if anything it's just explaining *how* that potential-sapping rushing to the big leagues would happen.

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    16 minutes ago, Transmogrified Tiger said:

    But the genesis of this whole point is that Alcantara's option clock forces him to be rushed in a way that prevents him from reaching the potential that makes folks so hesitant to include him in a trade.  Saying 'he's on the 40 man so if he's hitting well in AA he'll probably get called up' isn't a refutation of that point, if anything it's just explaining *how* that potential-sapping rushing to the big leagues would happen.

    My scenario was only in the instance Alcantara was tearing the cover off the ball and the big league team needed OF help. Since it wouldn’t take up an extra 40 man spot, they could turn to Alcantara. Every team would rather give a kid like that the option than bring up a 30 year old AAAA player to be replacement level. A cup of coffee as early as next year wouldn’t have any detrimental effect on his development at all.

    The extra option year means there wouldn’t be any rush if they didn’t want to. He would be, what, 24 if he just moved one level a year and would be able to have at least a full year in AAA?  That’s actually really conservative. If a 24 year old has potentially played 3+ years in the upper minors and still hasn’t “clicked”, the chances aren’t great that it’s going to happen and you start determining his worth as a bench player. 

    Alcantara shouldn’t be untouchable for sure. But this “already on the 40 man stuff” is really getting blown out of proportion.

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    10 hours ago, Hrubes20 said:

    My scenario was only in the instance Alcantara was tearing the cover off the ball and the big league team needed OF help. Since it wouldn’t take up an extra 40 man spot, they could turn to Alcantara. Every team would rather give a kid like that the option than bring up a 30 year old AAAA player to be replacement level. A cup of coffee as early as next year wouldn’t have any detrimental effect on his development at all.

    The extra option year means there wouldn’t be any rush if they didn’t want to. He would be, what, 24 if he just moved one level a year and would be able to have at least a full year in AAA?  That’s actually really conservative. If a 24 year old has potentially played 3+ years in the upper minors and still hasn’t “clicked”, the chances aren’t great that it’s going to happen and you start determining his worth as a bench player. 

    Alcantara shouldn’t be untouchable for sure. But this “already on the 40 man stuff” is really getting blown out of proportion.

    I'll own up that I've definitely pushed the option years thing not realizing he has a 4th(even reading AZ Phil's footnotes I'm still not sure what is different that gives Alcantara one, but I have no reason to doubt him).  That said, the context for worrying about Alcantara's options is not that he'd be rushed to MLB at too young an age, but that he would either be forced to MLB before he was ready for that step(significantly hurting his odds of reaching his ceiling) or that once he is MLB ready he would have limited opportunity to stake out a role before options math worked against him(also hurting the odds of him reaching his ceiling.  

     

    If he does have that 4th year it helps a fair amount, but at the same time there are not a ton of players who get rostered prior to reaching AA.  He can spend 2024 at AA and 2025 at AAA, that wouldn't be aggressive and I think for a player like Alcantara with his physical profile(super tall, long levers) having him spend that time at each level will help ensure he's not out over his skis when promoted.  But that still leaves a single season in 2026 for him to not only show he's on the path to stardom(which is what would justify hesitancy about trading him), but to do so quickly enough that he justifies a roster spot indefinitely.  It's not quite Rule 5 pick levels of squishing development, but it's far from ideal, and it only takes a little bit of sand in the gears(a 2 month injury, a longer adjustment period at AAA as they exploit those long levers, etc) for it to become dicey.

     

     

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