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  • Is 2023 the New 2015 for the Chicago Cubs?


    Brandon Glick

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    Back in 2015, the Chicago Cubs were on the upswing, in Year Four of then-President of Baseball Operations Theo Epstein’s master five-year plan. Their treasure trove of top prospects–from eventual Rookie of the Year Kris Bryant to the electric Javier Baez–were up in the big leagues and producing the way their scouting reports had promised. It felt as though the team arrived a year early, but those Cubs were ready to prove they belonged, walking into the trade deadline seven games over .500 at 54-47 (though still over 10 games behind the Cardinals for the division lead).

    That Cubs team, much like this year’s, acted as “soft” buyers at the trade deadline, with their only real, notable move being a small trade to acquire Dan Haren from the Marlins to shore up the fifth spot in their rotation. Nevertheless, they went on to take the NL by storm, riding Jake Arrieta’s otherworldly second half to an easy victory over the Pirates in the NL Wild Card Game. Then, of course, the Cubs announced their arrival to the upper echelon of contenders, finally slaying their bitter rivals, the St. Louis Cardinals, 3-1 in the 2015 NLDS.

    Now, similar feelings have been evoked after the Cubs bought at the deadline, acquiring corner infielder Jeimer Candelario and relief pitcher José Cuas. Though their record is slightly worse than it was at this time eight years ago, they are actually in better position in both the division and Wild Card standings, thanks to a generally down year across the NL. 

    Certain differences distinguish this year’s team from that legendary 2015 squad. Most of the key contributors on offense this year are established veterans, rather than wildly-hyped prospects. Manager David Ross is still navigating the ins and outs of leading a clubhouse, whereas Joe Maddon was already an established, championship-caliber skipper. Finally, of course, the Cubs were led by Epstein, rather than his protege Jed Hoyer. Yet, there are myriad similarities, too, including the lefty-righty dual aces fronting the rotation (Jon Lester and Arrieta then, Justin Steele and Marcus Stroman now); a power-swinging lefty veteran leading the way in the lineup (Anthony Rizzo and Cody Bellinger); and a formerly anonymous relief pitcher turning himself into a dominant closer almost overnight (Héctor Rondón and Adbert Alzolay). 

    Judging by the difference in young talent leading the way back in 2015, it’s fair to say those Cubs were better positioned for sustained success than this year’s. However, the current Cubs have been careful to avoid the pitfalls that caused that meticulously-constructed roster to collapse. The farm system is deeper now than it was at any point during Epstein’s tenure, notably prioritizing homegrown pitching so as to avoid the prohibitively expensive contracts (or prospect costs in trades) that star pitchers generally demand. This team is also much better at crafting effective bullpens out of scraps, no doubt a lesson learned from the way Maddon abused Aroldis Chapman’s arm in that run to the 2016 title. 

    It remains to be seen what happens the rest of this year, but the deadline should be telling with regard to the Cubs’ strategy going forward: They are ready to win. Much like the three down years that began Epstein’s reign (seasons that featured some prolific trade deadline firesales), the last two years have weighed on Hoyer and Cubs fans alike. Whether the Cubs are truly all-in and target Shohei Ohtani, or whether they prefer to be a little more patient as top prospects Pete Crow-Armstrong, Cade Horton and others rise to the majors, is a mystery for the offseason. Plenty of people compared this winter’s Dansby Swanson signing to the Lester one back in the 2014-2015 offseason (an unofficial declaration that the Cubs were serious about ending their historic championship drought), and perhaps the front office felt the same way. 

    These Cubs, more plucky than electrifying, have long odds staring them down as they try to just make their way into the playoffs. For the first time in years, though, the excitement is palpable on the North Side. Though the teams are constructed differently, and the men in charge of captaining this ship to the promised land have been shifted around in the internal hierarchy, there’s a sense that these Cubs have finally emerged from Rebuild 2.0, eight years after the team that gave them the blueprint on how to go from “Lovable Losers” to World Series contenders. 

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    I'm not seeing it.  The 2015 team was on a clear upward trajectory, with year-to-year improvement expected based on organic growth alone.  The 2023 team, while competitive and fun to watch, has some significant issues going into next year.  They will be starting the offseason at a deficit, losing (probably) Bellinger and Stroman, and will have to replace that production to even get back to where they were.  There is a lot of money to spend, but no guarantee that they will be able to sign the right talent to be able to take a step forward.  The starting rotation is a huge question mark and is relying very heavily on Steele continuing to be a top-of-rotation-ish starter.  There are a some non-ideal position players locked up for several years, including a Left Fielder with limited power and a Right Fielder who hasn't been able to put anything together offensively.  There are no immediate answers in the Minor Leagues who are ready to contribute and impact the Major League team.  The 2015 team had a clear path to sustained success, while this year's team is going to need a lot of work to even remain competitive.  Right now it is anyone's guess what next year's team will look like.  They might be better, they might be worse, or they might be right around .500 again.  What they won't be, is anything like the 2016 team.

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    Is this the year before a historically good season that culminates in a title?  Almost certainly not.

    Is this the first year of a streak of seasons where the team is playoff caliber?  It can be.  The team as constructed today is close to a division winner on paper, and if they fall short I'm gonna try not to dwell too much on what might have happened if they had signed Candelario instead of Mancini.  That said, the 2016 team made a big spending splash with Heyward and added a depth starter in Lackey, but their quality was already there to make that historic run.  That is not the case for the 2024 team, so they need to either keep or replace a fair amount of quality with a good success rate plus get some other unexpected breakthrough(their Aramis/Arrieta trade, for example) to set themselves up for the future.  The quality they have to replace is generally here at market rates(Stroman, Bellinger, Hendricks) so the finances should be less of a constraint, but you've still got to make those moves happen.

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    More or less what everyone else has said.  The 2015-16 team was the culmination of a multi-year tank that built the most stacked farm system in modern history.  Epstein spent years trading everything he inherited for prospects, diverting money to buy more prospects and sabotaging the MLB team to get even more prospects, and that was the culmination. I don't love the plan but he nailed the execution better than anyone ever has.

    This is merely an ordinarily good team with an ordinarily good farm system 

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    8 hours ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

    I'm not seeing it.  The 2015 team was on a clear upward trajectory, with year-to-year improvement expected based on organic growth alone.  The 2023 team, while competitive and fun to watch, has some significant issues going into next year.  They will be starting the offseason at a deficit, losing (probably) Bellinger and Stroman, and will have to replace that production to even get back to where they were.  There is a lot of money to spend, but no guarantee that they will be able to sign the right talent to be able to take a step forward.  The starting rotation is a huge question mark and is relying very heavily on Steele continuing to be a top-of-rotation-ish starter.  There are a some non-ideal position players locked up for several years, including a Left Fielder with limited power and a Right Fielder who hasn't been able to put anything together offensively.  There are no immediate answers in the Minor Leagues who are ready to contribute and impact the Major League team.  The 2015 team had a clear path to sustained success, while this year's team is going to need a lot of work to even remain competitive.  Right now it is anyone's guess what next year's team will look like.  They might be better, they might be worse, or they might be right around .500 again.  What they won't be, is anything like the 2016 team.

    Well put. I agree this team doesn't have the young talent pipeline ready to explode into the majors just yet. But I think this rebuild is ending quicker than the original. There's going to be more cracks as they try to compete on the fly rather than on a planned schedule. Hopefully enough guys stick to make these Cubs competitive for the next 5+ years.

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    8 hours ago, Transmogrified Tiger said:

    Is this the year before a historically good season that culminates in a title?  Almost certainly not.

    Is this the first year of a streak of seasons where the team is playoff caliber?  It can be.  The team as constructed today is close to a division winner on paper, and if they fall short I'm gonna try not to dwell too much on what might have happened if they had signed Candelario instead of Mancini.  That said, the 2016 team made a big spending splash with Heyward and added a depth starter in Lackey, but their quality was already there to make that historic run.  That is not the case for the 2024 team, so they need to either keep or replace a fair amount of quality with a good success rate plus get some other unexpected breakthrough(their Aramis/Arrieta trade, for example) to set themselves up for the future.  The quality they have to replace is generally here at market rates(Stroman, Bellinger, Hendricks) so the finances should be less of a constraint, but you've still got to make those moves happen.

    I think this is the idea. These Cubs are almost never going to be world series favorites given the lack of impact talent at the top of the farm. But if they can become a consistent threat to get into the postseason, maybe they can catch a lightning in a bottle run.

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    2 hours ago, Tryptamine said:

    The farm completely lacks the star power that made that run possible. The Orioles are the 2015 Cubs. 

    The only question is will they spend like the Cubs did to supplement such a good, young roster. The Angelos are... frivolous, to put it kindly.

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    1 hour ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

    More or less what everyone else has said.  The 2015-16 team was the culmination of a multi-year tank that built the most stacked farm system in modern history.  Epstein spent years trading everything he inherited for prospects, diverting money to buy more prospects and sabotaging the MLB team to get even more prospects, and that was the culmination. I don't love the plan but he nailed the execution better than anyone ever has.

    This is merely an ordinarily good team with an ordinarily good farm system 

    Basically the same conclusion I think I've arrived at. This tank wasn't as profound (or elongated) as the Epstein years, but that means the team doesn't have the same top-end talent. Doesn't mean they can't become a true contender in time, but the window isn't as obviously open as before.

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    And I think that's a good thing. I mean, obviously having better high-end talent would be good.

    But you don't sustain success by tanking the hardest.  It's not a substitute for real organizational competence at identifying and developing prospects.

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