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Marshall for Escobar? Then bring up either Guzman or Gallagher to start? I think I would like that. I'd hope we could enlarge the deal a bit. Marshall + Izturis + cash for Escobar and Reyes or Ascanio. You think Izturis could pull in Ascanio or Reyes? I like both (especially Reyes) but I really doubt Izzy would pull either of them. I doubt Reyes, unless he gets bombed on Sunday while filling in for Smoltz. Ascanio? I'm not sure. I'd like Harrison too, but I don't see them dealing him at all. I'd take Moises Hernandez as well. I wonder if the Braves might want Fox and give him some time at firstbase.

Go Buccos!

Marshall for Escobar? Then bring up either Guzman or Gallagher to start? I think I would like that. I'd hope we could enlarge the deal a bit. Marshall + Izturis + cash for Escobar and Reyes or Ascanio.

Did a check around the Braves board, and there seems to be some sentiment that Escobar could be traded for a "decent" starting pitcher.

I also heard last night that the Braves are telling teams that inquire that Salty is not available. The same person, though, believes he is available in the right deal, but that the Braves would prefer to keep him at this juncture. All in all, it's going to take a heck of deal to get him out of Atlanta.

Thanks.

Pirates going to let this one slip away?

Renteria's salary shouldn't be much of a problem. Boston is already paying a portion of it. I could see a complex three-way deal that could net Renteria. The same could be done with less players to get Escobar. If the Braves are comfortable enough with Escobar at short to deal Edgar, I'd send players (Veal or Holliman, Fox, others) to Texas for Gagne and then send Gagne to the Braves for Edgar. The deal would likely be a lot more complex than what I described, but that's one way to try to get something done.

Well, that post is loaded with double meaning. :)

Pretty much the point of my long post above. When we were floundering earlier this season, I felt we could get him in a deal where we included Zambrano. Now, I don't think we really have the pieces. And it makes me sad. I've seen Salty play. He's good. He's also a good guy.

Getting a jump on this one, but you all know the drill. In the middle of July, I'm going to see the Jacksonville Suns... so other than pitching coach Danny Darwin, (:lol:) who should I be looking for?

Maybe his stalker showed up there?

No,, not Salty. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have Jarrod, but we could also use a bat at SS. The Braves have these two players: Player A: 309/340/423 Player B: 321/385/487 Both are shortstops, though one is logging some time at third due to the fragile Larry Jones. For those who don't know, player A is Yunel Escobar and player B is Edgar Renteria. Both would be significant upgrades. I'm not sure if the Braves would move either. There's definitely no need for them to unless they greatly improve their team in some fashion. Escobar is young and versatile. On the other hand, if they wanted to free up some payroll, the could deal Renteria to free up money for another acquisiton. What does everyone think?

You can listen on 620. Nevermind, I forgot you live in Texas. Nope

For some reason, the Brewers-Pirates game isn't on EI.

Unfortunately, I believe you will be proven correct. While Truffle's probably right about a, I'm still holding out a little hope Hendry will find a way to bring in Salty. I don't think we have the players to get Salty especially now that we're playing too well to trade Zambrano. Again, probably right, but his value at least hasn't risen any since he's been iffy at first. Centering a deal around Hill - IF the Braves like him - might be enough, but you're right that it would take quite a bit to get it done. I'm sure the Braves like Hill, especially after watching him dominate their team three times this year (2 earned runs in 23 innings for Hill against the Braves this year). Not even close. Don't forget Shurholtz didn't win all those division titles by trading away young talent for a marginal starter and spare parts. Hm, maybe that will work in our favor in a trade. Hill + Eyre + Jones for Salty? :wink:

Actually, his value has probably gone up. Jarrod had a rough season at the plate last year at Mississippi. While most felt he would bounce back, it probably caused some concerns. While he has struggled a little to pick up first base, he has hit 309/358/474 since being called to Atlanta with four homers. He's proven at least thus far that he isn't overmatched by major league pitching. He's also good behind the plate. He's not close to being out of options, so even if the Braves decide he isn't able to help them at first, they can always stash him at Richmond or on the bench until a deal suits their liking. I was talking about Salty to some guys in Mississippi the other night that consider themselves pretty big Braves fans. Most of them believe that the Braves will keep Salty and use him at first. They also think that if he's traded, the Braves won't move him unless it is an exceptional amount or for a player that ensures them a run in the playoffs. They felt he wouldn't be moved for prospects unless it was a package of can't miss, ready to contribute in the majors right now group. One guy said he could see Salty going to the Rangers for Tex and Gagne. I mentioned the Cubs, and they said that if it were for Lee or Zambrano, but that if it were Pie, the Cubs would have to, in his words, "throw in one of those lefty starters....probably Hill." And then the guy said he probably wouldn't do it. Now, I do think these guys are overvaluing Salty a bit, but it goes to show the sentiment on the other side of the fence. Salty is blocked at his best position and the position in which he has the most value, but the Braves aren't in a position where they have to move him. If the deal is for the impact player or players they need, then sure they would do it. But, a deal for Salty where parts the Braves may or may not need go to Atlanta, it's not going to happen. Realistically, as long as the Cubs are trying to contend, we don't have the spare parts to get him. A deal with minor leaguers isn't going to make the Braves bite. Now if we could send players to Texas for Teixeira, then deal Tex to the Braves....ok. But, then if the Braves will deal Salty for Teixeira, I can't see why the Rangers wouldn't take him for themselves.

And sadly, that line would be better than what the Hill/Bowen tandem has contributed thus far.

I'm never suprised to see Vance win something that involves voting. No shenanigans on my part, unless you count the convenient timing of my mailing out a few Sosa 600 HR certificates....

It may be that the Padres didn't have a player the Cubs wanted in exchange for Murton. I don't know how much the Cubs really value Murton, but that doesn't mean they were going to give him away to the Padres.

I'm hoping that too, but I think it's now more likely that he will since they need an injury replacement for John Smoltz in addition to the winner of the fan voting. Nope. Oswalt is named as Smoltz's replacement, which is a little odd since they announced it before letting the fan vote run its course. Here it is from rotoworld.

Unfortunately, I believe you will be proven correct. While Truffle's probably right about a, I'm still holding out a little hope Hendry will find a way to bring in Salty. I don't think we have the players to get Salty especially now that we're playing too well to trade Zambrano.

In Bruce's article, I found this gem of a quote from Lou.

Nice quote from Lou about the intentional walk to Zimmerman prior to the grand slam...

According to the Trib, Rich Hill thinks he needs to find a third pitch. Link.