are you [expletive] kidding me? nobody is arguing that the act of winning a championship in itself makes you great. that's either one of the dumbest or one of the most dishonest things i've ever heard. championships are a byproduct of greatness. if you don't have one, then maybe you weren't the total package after all. lebron has time, but i don't see it. in part, because of the last 3-point shot he took last night. it clanged off the side iron and was nowhere close to going in. you can almost hear him saying "square up, elevate, elbow in, follow through" on every jump-shot he takes. in every other field, he's a natural, he's had to work his ass off to be the shooter he is today, and i think he's about capped-out. the gods granted tithonus eternal life, but not eternal youth, and the gods granted lebron great physical abilities, but not a great shot. his one flaw will make his many gifts a condemnation. completely different, but anyway, wins are a byproduct of ability. there are no pitchers with 300 wins that weren't great pitchers. they weren't great because they won, but rather they won because they were great.