I can tell you right now that the Wings are going to be eliminated if they get to the Ducks. The Wings have never been a playoff team, their hearts aren't in it. You all see the Ducks, Wild, Canucks, and Stars playing their butts off, but when you watch the Wings games, they play like it's reg. season. And seeing as there were NO Wings to back up Franzen is just another observation of how much this team lacks. Dumb post. 3 Stanley Cups in the last 10 years? Also right after McClelons goon play both a referee and a linesman grabbed him and took him in the corner. The Flames were pretty much just being goons after they got down 3-0 and the Red Wings were smart not to get mixed up in it. As for interfering with the goalie, Calgary is just as much to blame for their goalie getting interfered with as the Red Wings are instigating it. The Wings have outplayed Calgary for most of this series, dominating them at home and playing even at Calgary. Even in yesterdays game were the refs called a pretty one-sided game, The Wings were hitting and getting most of the loose pucks. I hope they play Anehiem, but they probably wont beat Van or San Jose. As a matter of fact I think Calgarty would probably beat Anehiem and their imaginary toughness also. Its nice to see that some people get most of their hockey knowledge from Barry Melrose though. Maybe that will at least keep some highlights on Sportscenter. Did I try defending McLennan? If so, please tell me where I did. Yes the Flames were gooning it up, and I applaud them for doing so. But the Red Wings are still playing like it's reg season, and the Flames have yet to step it up. Their two home games obviously did not get them prepared. The Stanley Cup Playoffs bring on a whole new level of intesnity to the game, and neither the Flames nor Red Wings have that passion. The Red Wings need to realize it's a whole new level of play now, and defending their player is pretty important. While the Flames were blatantly gooning it, you protect your teammates. The Red Wings are gone by the end of the 2nd round, I guarantee it. And I laugh quite a bit at the Melrose remark, I don't recall mentioning Gretzky. Your whole post sounded just like a Melrose commentary and still does. I didnt say that you were defending McClelon, I was saying why there was noone on the Red Wings jumped in on him. There was actually no Red Wing even close to the play. Several other times when Iginula was gooning it up on Zetterburg and Lidstrom the Red Wings players stepped in pretty quick. The Wings have played pretty well this series. Really dominated most of the first 3 periods tonight. Kiprusov is making this a series. The Red Wings main problem the last 3 years has been lack of speed. This team is quite a bit faster than the teams of those years. As much as it hurts to say it was time for Yzerman to retire and to let guys like Shanahan go. The only teams that may beat the Wings are Dallas or Vancouver. This is because of their goaltending. I still think Calgary could beat them too but mainly for the same reason. It hasn't been spped at all. The Wings simply don't have as much heart in the playoffs as other teams do. I've been unfortunate enough to see one or two games of this series and if I were a viewer who had no idea it was in the playoffs, I would assume it's the last month of the season. Yet I turn on a Canucks vs Stars gamme and all of the sudden I see two teams laying it all out on the ice. As far as speed hurting the Wings... First we'll go to the year 03, the year just after they'd won the Stanley Cup Playoffs. They were the number 2 seed swept by the number 7 seed the Anaheim (Mighty) Ducks... you don't get swept because another team is faster than you. Then in 04 they're seeded first and struggle a bit against 8th seed Nashville, then lose in 6 to the 7th seeded Calgary Flames, who then went on to lose to Tampa. Calgary wasn't exactly a quick team. And last year you have the 8th seeded Edmonton Oilers win it in 6 in the first round. Speed is not what has been hurting the wings. The Detroit Red Wings are built to reach the playoffs, not win them. The Wings have been consistently beat my low seeded teams, because the low seeded teams understand what it takes to get to the finals. Hockey is a sport where team chemistry, heart, and grit are all rewarded. All 16 teams that make the playoffs are there because they're good, but they win because they are all driven to achieve something you cannot get in any other sport, immortatlity. The second your name goes on that cup, you're remembered forever. Detroit will have trouble winning another cup until their hearts get back into the games. It's really no use fighting about this. But the Wings are done by the end of round 2 at the latest. (Sorry for the long read.)