yeah...and those seasons he's talking about collapsed because jay got hurt. and because a 10 win team didn't make the playoffs. Exactly. Year one Jay was legit bad Jay, but the D was down at that time too. Then they went to the NFC Championship and were 7-3 the following year. They were basically as good or better than they were in the years leading up to the SB. Then they still went on to another 10 win season before the coaching changes, aging, and the lack of player development caught up to them.