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What's the details on this trade?

Well based on Paces OL history not great, I suppose. 2nd rounder--good pick 2nd rounder-still shaky but maybe good 3rd round- poor pick 5th rounder - total miss 7th rounder - total miss Leno was a 7th rounder though. Took like 3 years to become passable and like 5 years to be good (which maybe only lasted 1 year).

Never heard of him, but here's a hype headline (no I haven't even read the article yet) https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/darnell-mooney-tulane-most-underrated-wr-2020-nfl-draft

Pace has neglected the OL (particularly this offseason) : Good take Trading the traditional 1 round premium for future pick is bad value: reasonable take, but I do think if there was a year to take that bet, 2020 to 2021 is probably it We are going to take a QB and trade up to do so and need that 4th: radio caller take

A 4 next year for a 5 now. And next years draft (and college season) has a horsefeathers ton of uncertainty right now, which really plays into it. That “next years picks don’t matter” mindset is why the bears always have more needs than picks. But they filled a need with this pick.

Come on that 4th isn't getting in the way of drafting a QB. And who knows if they'll be in that spot to get a QB. We don't even know what next year's college season and draft process will look like, so I don't mind the 1 round penalty to get a guy you like. Maybe the Bears go 3-13 and it looks terrible, but hopefully it's a mid or late 4th. No I’m not going to “come on”. If you trade up for a qb next year you need all the surplus you can get. Giving away a 4 for a 5 is bad business. A 4 next year for a 5 now. And next years draft (and college season) has a horsefeathers ton of uncertainty right now, which really plays into it.

Yea tons of bodies at CB now. I'd assume Denmark is a S or cut. Crawford, Burns, and Toliver are really JAG, and Roberson probably is too, but does have a little more dead cap. Joseph a PS guy. Still Vildor will be a bubble guy, so this is one of the first head scratches at this point. But the next 4 picks will also probably all be 50/50 shots to make the 53 man.

Meh it's one for one and who knows what the evaluation process looks like next year cuz of covid. Next year is the year they have to draft a qb, which likely means trading up. They just gave away a 4th for a 5th because Ryan Pace does not understand value. Come on that 4th isn't getting in the way of drafting a QB. And who knows if they'll be in that spot to get a QB. We don't even know what next year's college season and draft process will look like, so I don't mind the 1 round penalty to get a guy you like. Maybe the Bears go 3-13 and it looks terrible, but hopefully it's a mid or late 4th.

Very similar to RRH when he was drafted. Well he was undrafted :-) If I recall RRH didn't move down to DE immediately. There was some question at first if he'd bulk up and do that or stay at OLB. I assume it's the same with Gipson. Same size as Pernell McPhee for instance.

Meh it's one for one and who knows what the evaluation process looks like next year cuz of covid.

Sounds like we still have the other 5th Rd pick. Traded next year's 4th for this pick.

Like the pick. Wonder what they traded.

Tyler Biadasz is a guy who could still be sitting there and would help out IOL depth.

If they go WR I'd really want it to be a burner type, plus points if they have return potential (Cohen and Patterson will both be FA next year) Who would that be? also, Brycen is off the board, but interestingly Fromm and Weaver are both still there, but I think I'd still grab Adams from Washington if it were up to the 3, a big run blocking tackle for the future Not sure at this point. But if a 5th or 6th rounder can come in a beat Wims or Ridley, so be it, they're more unknown than anything at this point.

If they go WR I'd really want it to be a burner type, plus points if they have return potential (Cohen and Patterson will both be FA next year)

As a "hater" I think the thing thats tough about him, as a fan, to get excited about is lack of anything that really stands out. Like he doesn't appear to have tons of weaknesses, but also nothing that goes wow. his size doenst stand out? Hes the same size as Gronkowski Well size is most useful in context with the athletic testing. Together I think he checks the mark in both categories, but not like "wow" combination of size/athleticism.

As a "hater" I think the thing thats tough about him, as a fan, to get excited about is lack of anything that really stands out. Like he doesn't appear to have tons of weaknesses, but also nothing that goes wow.

You've graded a draft a total failure one year removed from said draft? Okay. Come on. Montgomery, Ridley, Shelley, Whyte, and Denmark. How does that get better with time? I guess if you really feel Montgomery still has something to offer above random replacement RB. All those guys still have potential to carve out niche roles (although with Whyte unfortunately it won't be with the Bears) Beyond the guys mentioned, he got 4 solid starting years out of Amos which turned into a comp 4th. Goldman a starting NT on a great D. Whitehair a long term starter. Kwit was a great backup who ended up being a key injury replacement last year. Bush and Houston-Carson just meh, but have managed to at least be solid backup/ST. A couple 1k seasons out of Howard. Cohen a pro bowl returner, and still should be a good 3rd down back, but needs to be used better. Nichols already is a solid starter. Daniels still working through some things but still has a decent foundation he can build on and become a long term starter (improved immensely last year once moved back to G). Wims is meh, but could still find a niche 4th WR role. Not ready to write off Ridley or Shelley at this point, both could develop into starters still. Shelley in particular I think has a decent chance to replace Skrine at Nickel in 2021 . Iggy/Denmark don't look that promising, but if they can become just special teamer you're salvaging something from day 3 picks. Obviously not all those guys will continue to progress, but it's silly to grade drafts after a year or even 2 because not every guy is picked with the same developmental track.

Because one draft pick failure does not necessarily mean all other draft picks will be failures. GM's miss out on picks all of the time. There are plenty of draft picks starting for the Bears, so I don't know why we can't give the benefit of the doubt when they weren't "reaches". I guess I'm just not at the doom and gloom stage of my fandom. The defense is among the best in the league. A more capable QB with some added weapons on offense could make their 2020 look more like 2018 than 2019. I’m looking at the past 3 drafts and I see last year was a total failure. Going back to 2017 I see 15 picks; Smith, Miller, and Jackson who I can honestly say are decent. Beyond that though? Who? 3 of 15 and we are supposed to give him the benefit of the doubt. And this feels like very familiar territory to me. They’ve made a couple picks and people are trying to see it, trying to find a way to believe these are finally the impact players they’ve been waiting for. You've graded a draft a total failure one year removed from said draft? Okay.

Yea, he'd be a steal in the 5th. I'd put odds on Pace trying to move into the 4th. Next years 4th and one of the 6ths, something like that. Though trading activity seems down across the board this year too.

What a stupid horsefeathering write up.

Are they allowed to do that in the NFL? I know it happens in college but can’t remember seeing that in the pros In summer, sure, why not. No, the Bears now have to legally forfeit the pick now. Wtg Pace.

That entire thread is worth the read lol

Going 1st or IN THE 1st? I think you know the answer to that.

Jaylen was talked about possibly going first, but as mentioned on the broadcast has the shoulder injury.