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The RB from Oregon State and maybe the OL from Yale sound the most interesting to me. Just based on depth I'd think the RB could make the roster. The OL would be pure PS fodder though.

Was McDonough not responsible for the Tallon-Bowman change before? I always thought he was responsible for the hockey ops side.

I agree, but only in terms of timing. McDonough isn't a hockey guy. He basically convinced the owner to bring the team into the 21st century and helped solidify the business and marketing side. But they need an influx of hockey expertise at the upper levels. It's a perfectly logical move if the goal is to overhaul hockey ops. McDonough wasn't the guy to decide who to bring in. I've admittedly been fairly checked out on the Hawks. Has this been an idea talked about/expected by fans? I would have thought they'd just replace Bowman.

That seems odd.

The Chicago Sea-Bears. The Chicago Bear-Hawks. They have room if they want though most guys at this stage in FA really should just take a sliver, like vet minimum contracts. I'd be on the lookout for another RB and perhaps a S. NT is also only one deep, but that is a spot they could conceivably just carry one on the active roster, and then maybe a PS player. The RB they signed in UDFA actually sounds kind of interesting, but still very underwhelmed with the depth of that group.

Now to turn their attention to the coaching staff...

A bad pick and a F pick is not the same thing. This. Jersey is saying that Floyd basically gets the same grade as Kevin White which is just bat [expletive] insane. I guess it just is based on your scale. But by most analysis if you "hit" on half your picks you're considered doing a good or adequate job, most picks will end up with an F grade I guess. Curve the scale a little more harshly for higher picks and even a decent player is a failure in the top 10.

Agreed. Floyd himself may be a B- player, but the pick success was a failure.

Well a 60% and a 10% on a quiz are both Fs on a test even though they're not equal.

Smoke screen.

You really think he’s been better than average overall? If there’s anyone I trust about football on this forum it’s you but I can’t see it. I agree if the Bears drafted Maholmes instead of Trubisky and he developed to be as good he’d have nearly infinite job security but he didn’t. And he missed on White (yes I know injuries were a big reason but he was also someone who many said needed development), he missed on Floyd too. Smith has been a solid pick so 1 out of 4 in the first round. Second round we have James Daniels, Anthony Miller, Adam Shaheen, Cody Whitehair and Eddie Goldman. Is that 2/5 or 3/5? So 3 or 4 out of his 9 picks in the first 2 rounds? Even with solid drafting later on it’s hard to be good when you hit on ~40% of your top 2 round picks. I wouldn't call Floyd a miss. Granted, I know he was a top 10 pick, but he's a solid NFL player. He does everything well accept his primary job, rush the passer. But he got cut and is going to make 10Mil this season. That's not a paycheck for a player I'd call a miss. Probably a C to C- type pick, which is not ideal, but it happens. Those 2nd rounders are mostly hits. Anthony Miller is really good. He's had shoulder issues, but his biggest issue has been the QB. When Mitch was good last year (for 4-5 weeks late in the year), he was playing at a 100/1100 pace season. Good QB play and he's an 80 catch, 1000 yard guy in 2020. Daniels is decent too. This is probably a big year for him if he's a hit or miss, but he's shown enough to warrant a starting job this coming season. Can't discount his mid round work either. Jackson (all pro), Amos (who's loss became Foles), Howard, Nichols, were all great picks. Re: Floyd I think LA overpaid a bit (at least on a AAV basis). Not sure that should count as a plus in regards to grading the pick. Yes, he's an NFL capable player, even a starter (though not a Number 1 OLB), but at that pick, that's a D at best. He could even turn it up and maybe have a nice long career, but since his Bears career is in the books, we can call it a near failure at best.

Yes, it's an alternate universe to ours where the Bears got Maholmes.

What's the details on this trade? Both 6ths and the later 7th for the 5th and a slightly higher 7th. Got 173, 227 Traded 196, 200, 233 Damn near equal based on the "traditional" chart. About negative 1.

What's the details on this trade? What I'm reading is that the Bears gave up both 6ths and a 7th to move to 173 and they get a 7th. So a 3 for 2?

Help me out on that one. What’s the likelihood of finding plenty of help this far in? I’m trying to see it with Pace. I really am. But his picks consistently leave me befuddled. His picks in a general sense have been fine. He's drafted better than average overall. The issue is and has always been he missed the QB pick. Nothing else really matters. Seattle blows the draft every year by picking 3rd rounder in the 1st and still win 10+ because they hit on the QB. Well his 1st rounds in general have been. Floyd and Mitch at least he did swing for good positional value. White was a dumb pick always. Roquan is basically his only good 1st round pick and it's an arguably low value position for how high he was selected.

What's the details on this trade?

Well based on Paces OL history not great, I suppose. 2nd rounder--good pick 2nd rounder-still shaky but maybe good 3rd round- poor pick 5th rounder - total miss 7th rounder - total miss Leno was a 7th rounder though. Took like 3 years to become passable and like 5 years to be good (which maybe only lasted 1 year).

Never heard of him, but here's a hype headline (no I haven't even read the article yet) https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/darnell-mooney-tulane-most-underrated-wr-2020-nfl-draft

Pace has neglected the OL (particularly this offseason) : Good take Trading the traditional 1 round premium for future pick is bad value: reasonable take, but I do think if there was a year to take that bet, 2020 to 2021 is probably it We are going to take a QB and trade up to do so and need that 4th: radio caller take

A 4 next year for a 5 now. And next years draft (and college season) has a horsefeathers ton of uncertainty right now, which really plays into it. That “next years picks don’t matter” mindset is why the bears always have more needs than picks. But they filled a need with this pick.

Come on that 4th isn't getting in the way of drafting a QB. And who knows if they'll be in that spot to get a QB. We don't even know what next year's college season and draft process will look like, so I don't mind the 1 round penalty to get a guy you like. Maybe the Bears go 3-13 and it looks terrible, but hopefully it's a mid or late 4th. No I’m not going to “come on”. If you trade up for a qb next year you need all the surplus you can get. Giving away a 4 for a 5 is bad business. A 4 next year for a 5 now. And next years draft (and college season) has a horsefeathers ton of uncertainty right now, which really plays into it.

Yea tons of bodies at CB now. I'd assume Denmark is a S or cut. Crawford, Burns, and Toliver are really JAG, and Roberson probably is too, but does have a little more dead cap. Joseph a PS guy. Still Vildor will be a bubble guy, so this is one of the first head scratches at this point. But the next 4 picks will also probably all be 50/50 shots to make the 53 man.

Meh it's one for one and who knows what the evaluation process looks like next year cuz of covid. Next year is the year they have to draft a qb, which likely means trading up. They just gave away a 4th for a 5th because Ryan Pace does not understand value. Come on that 4th isn't getting in the way of drafting a QB. And who knows if they'll be in that spot to get a QB. We don't even know what next year's college season and draft process will look like, so I don't mind the 1 round penalty to get a guy you like. Maybe the Bears go 3-13 and it looks terrible, but hopefully it's a mid or late 4th.

Very similar to RRH when he was drafted. Well he was undrafted :-) If I recall RRH didn't move down to DE immediately. There was some question at first if he'd bulk up and do that or stay at OLB. I assume it's the same with Gipson. Same size as Pernell McPhee for instance.

Meh it's one for one and who knows what the evaluation process looks like next year cuz of covid.