it's not a debate. it's a matter of being mature and cognizant of the situation and just knowing that it's BASEBALL and teams lose. a lot. even the best teams. being emotional in game threads is fine. my issue is with bashing good players and acting like the team sucks when things don't go great. if you want to bitch about brian schlitter (thank god we don't have one of those this year) you can, because he horsefeathering sucks. if you want to bitch about tommy lastella and his career .000 OPS, that's cool too. mostly i just bitch about actual things not going our way...i don't really fault the team or the players when that horsefeathers happens. i'm just mad at the luck. unless it's a shitty player...they're fair game. but we don't really have many of those anymore and we don't have a manager who plays the ones we do have too much.