Says the guy who takes every opportunity to he can to talk about how great Rich Hill is. actually, more people talk about how i talk about being right about rich hill than i actually talk about how i was right about rich hill. by quite a bit. plus, i don't really know what you're saying. I mean we all have a lot of hope for these guys. We all get angry when we perceive the Cubs didn't give them a fair shake. I don't think Harris or Hill got one from the Cubs. Until this year, I don't think Rich Hill did. When we have a team the loses 90 every other year, this is a problem. I don't think it's about a fair shake with those two guys. I mean, it's not like the Cubs gave up on those two-they simply traded them for quality players. In the case of Harris, he had just made it to AAA in 2004, so the team traded him, and at the time both of the primary positions he played (3B and 2B) were blocked. In the case of Hill, he got some at-bats in 2002 (probably should have had a few more), didn't really play in 2003 because the player at his position at the major leagues was playing well, and then was traded for a valuable player. The Cubs certainly have not given some players a fair shake over the last few years, but these two really weren't part of that. They just simply got traded because the Cubs needed a couple of pieces to make playoff runs, and they had value as prospects. Was Harris in the Nomar trade? He was wasn't he? If so I agree with what you are saying. These two weren't great examples, but it would be nice for once one of our young guys getting 500 at bats uninterrupted. I mean we had Patterson who was the number two prosepct in all of baseball and we couldn't do that? Why the heck not? Because we were going to the playoffs with Damon Buford leading the charge? The way the cubs handle their young players is ridiculous. You must be reffering to the Murton-Harris trade of 2004. :lol: