Fred Hornkohl

BOTTOM OF THE FIRST INNING Young popped out (foul) to third base Cameron walked Cameron took second base on a wild pitch Giles grounded out to second, 4-3, Cameron to third Piazza struck out (called) 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 1 men left on base 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E CUBS 0 0 1 0 San Diego 0 0 0 0 pitcher IP H R ER BB K HR PIT Marshall 1.0 0 0 0 1 1 0 22

Giles grounded out to second, 4-3, Cameron to third

Cameron took second base on a wild pitch

Cameron walked

Young popped out (foul) to third base

TOP OF THE FIRST INNING Pierre popped out (foul) to left field Cedeno grounded an IF single to the right side Cedeno stole second base Walker flied out to right field, Cedeno to third Jones grounded out to first, 3-1 0 runs, 1 hits, 0 errors, 1 men left on base 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E CUBS 0 0 1 0 San Diego . 0 0 0

Walker flied out to right field, Cedeno to third

Cedeno stole second base

Cedeno grounded an IF single to the right side

Pierre popped out (foul) to left field

Those aren't the '84 unis. They're Negro League replicas. They had a big tribute to the Negro Leagues before the game. I'm waiting for them to trot out those ridiculous mustard yellow road uniforms that they used back in the early 70's. :pukel:

Those stats were sufficiently substantive to draw a conlcusion with regard to short term trends, and that's what I did. They were certainly not substantive enought to draw a logical statistical inference; that, I did not do. I know the difference between the two, and so do you !

BK.... are we trying to draw valid statistical inferences here ?? If so, then sample size is the only relavent question. But I don't think that's the point of this exercise, is it ? That's what I figured you were trying to do by posting some stats in defense of tonight's lineup. Do you really think that the data from the first two weeks of the season has more predicitve value for tonight's game than the last 2 weeks ? Or maybe the combined 4 weeks has better predictive value bcause it's a larger sample size ?? The only conlcusion I drew was that tonight's lineup "looks quite reasonable". The data I presented demonstrates this. I'm really not sure why you seem to be confused. You're using logic. People don't like it when you use logic to support your opinion. Otis, as you get on in years, keep reminding yourself...... logic is your friend !! :wink:

BK.... are we trying to draw valid statistical inferences here ?? If so, then sample size is the only relavent question. But I don't think that's the point of this exercise, is it ? That's what I figured you were trying to do by posting some stats in defense of tonight's lineup. Do you really think that the data from the first two weeks of the season has more predicitve value for tonight's game than the last 2 weeks ? Or maybe the combined 4 weeks has better predictive value bcause it's a larger sample size ?? The only conlcusion I drew was that tonight's lineup "looks quite reasonable". The data I presented demonstrates this. I'm really not sure why you seem to be confused.

BK.... are we trying to draw valid statistical inferences here ?? If so, then sample size is the only relavent question. But I don't think that's the point of this exercise, is it ?

Dusty is trying to get fired! Yay! Would you care to elaborate ? This seems like a pretty reasonable lineup to me. Jones cleanup? Murton batting 6th? Horrible! I still say it looks quite reasonable. 04/21 - 05/05 AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS Jones 46 3 13 2 0 3 24 6 1 7 0.283 0.313 0.522 0.834 Murton 41 4 12 2 0 0 14 8 7 8 0.293 0.396 0.341 0.737 Ramirez 45 8 9 3 0 2 18 5 8 4 0.200 0.321 0.400 0.721

Dusty is trying to get fired! Yay! Would you care to elaborate ? This seems like a pretty reasonable lineup to me.

Is that Fred in your sig? Thanx, Mizzou..... I was just waiting for somebody to make that connection. That fellow has way too much hair on top, eh? :wink:

I heard part of this program this morning as well, and remember them also saying he isnt in the HOF is because he made so many people, who are now on the veterans committee, mad at him by clicking his heels in NY, and that the cubs already had 3 Hofer's from that team. Go Cubs--p.s. I'm not wearing any Cubs clothing, hats, or jerseys until they score at least 4 or more runs in 1 game (Win or Lose) Santo never once clicked his heels in NY. That routine was limited exclusively to Wrigley Field. Yes, it did make a lot of people mad, and I'm sure that they haven't forgotten it to this day. But remember, those veterans committee members were not the ones voting for the HOF from '79 through '04 when Santo was going through his period of eligibility; it was the sportswriters. The veterans committee, which holds Santo's fate now, has, to the best of my memory, never voted anybody in. In the final analysis, there are 9 thirdbasemen in the hall of fame who played in the major leagues. Ron Santo, arguably, has better numbers than 6 of them. The whole system is a joke !!!

I highly doubt a rotation of Zambrano, Maddux, Marshall, Hill, Guzman is gonna carry this "hitless wonder" team to .500, much less the playoffs. Oh, ye of little fiath !! :wink:

Sorry.... won't let it happen again. :oops:

For the CUBS, it's near impossible anyway, no?

Worthless stats of the day for Saturday...... CUBS are 1-3 on Saturdays CUBS are 0-1 vs. San Diego CUBS are 0-0 when they've lost their last 4 game(s) in a row CUBS are 8-5 when they've lost their previous game CUBS are 7-6 at night CUBS are 6-8 on the road CUBS are 10-3 when they get a quality start.... 4-11 when they don't CUBS are 11-3 when they score first in the game.... 3-11 when they don't CUBS are 8-1 when they score in the first inning.... 6-13 when they don't CUBS are 11-7 when they don't allow any runs is the first inning.... 3-7 when they do CUBS are 5-9 without Derrek Lee CUBS are 11-2 when they score at least 4 runs.... 3-12 when they don't CUBS are 10-3 when they allow fewer than 4 runs.... 4-11 when they don't CUBS are 11-3 when they outhit the opponents.... 2-9 when they get outhit.... and 1-2 when the hits are even CUBS are 13-8 when they draw at least 2 walks.... 1-6 when they don't CUBS are 9-2 when they allow fewer than 4 walks.... 5-12 when they don't CUBS are 13-5 when one of Maddux, Marshall, or Zambrano start CUBS are on a pace to win 81 games this year..... compared to 79 last year CUBS are on a pace to score 648 runs this year..... compared to 703 last year CUBS are on a pace to hit 122 home runs this year..... compared to 194 last year CUBS are on a pace to draw 474 walks this year..... compared to 419 last year CUBS are drving in 18.8% of their runners on base compared to 18.4% last year CUBS are scoring 0.357 runs per baserunner compared to 0.365 last year CUBS are 5-0 when Marshall starts Marshall is 2 of 5 in quality starts Marshall's ERA pitching to Barrett is 3.45.... Marshall has not pitched to Blanco CUBS score 4.00 R/G overall.... 5.80 R/G when Marshall pitches CUBS hit 0.75 HR/G overall.... 0.40 HR/G when Marshall pitches CUBS' offensive support of Marshall..... 04/03 - 05/05 AB R H 2b 3b HR TB RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS CUBS w/Marshall 165 29 51 6 2 2 67 25 14 32 0.309 0.368 0.406 0.774 CUBS overall 921 112 228 40 7 21 345 102 82 158 0.248 0.310 0.375 0.685 Marshall's last 5 starts (2-0)..... Marshall IP H R ER BB K HR PC BB/9 K/9 HR/9 WHIP ERA 04/09 vs. St. L 4.3 4 4 4 1 2 1 65 2.08 4.15 2.08 1.15 8.31 04/14 vs. Pitts 5.0 5 4 4 1 2 1 79 1.80 3.60 1.80 1.20 7.20 04/19 vs. L.A. 5.0 2 2 2 3 4 1 86 5.40 7.20 1.80 1.00 3.60 04/25 vs. Flor 7.0 2 0 0 2 7 0 96 2.57 9.00 0.00 0.57 0.00 05/01 vs. Pitts 7.3 4 1 1 1 5 0 90 1.23 6.14 0.00 0.68 1.23 season totals 28.7 17 11 11 8 20 3 416 2.51 6.28 0.94 0.87 3.45 CUBS' season series vs. San Diego ....... Gm# Date Opponent Score Starter 28 Fri 05/05 @ San Diego N 0- 1 Zambrano 29 Sat 05/06 @ San Diego N - Marshall 30 Sun 05/07 @ San Diego - Guzman 31 Mon 05/08 @ San Diego N - Maddux 35 Fri 05/12 San Diego - Guzman 36 Sat 05/13 San Diego - Maddux 37 Sun 05/14 San Diego - Hill CUBS' offense during last 7 games..... 04/29 - 05/05 AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS Restovich 6 0 2 1 0 0 3 1 1 2 0.333 0.429 0.500 0.929 Barrett 14 0 4 0 0 0 4 0 4 2 0.286 0.474 0.286 0.759 Bynum 12 0 3 0 1 0 5 1 1 4 0.250 0.308 0.417 0.724 Jones 23 0 7 1 0 0 8 0 1 2 0.304 0.333 0.348 0.681 Pierre 25 1 6 0 1 0 8 0 4 1 0.240 0.345 0.320 0.665 Murton 19 1 5 0 0 0 5 1 3 4 0.263 0.364 0.263 0.627 Walker 26 0 6 2 0 0 8 0 2 4 0.231 0.286 0.308 0.593 Cedeno 26 0 6 0 0 0 6 0 0 4 0.231 0.231 0.231 0.462 Perez 12 0 2 0 0 0 2 0 2 0 0.167 0.286 0.167 0.452 Ramirez 25 1 4 2 0 0 6 0 1 3 0.160 0.192 0.240 0.432 Blanco 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 1 0.000 0.286 0.000 0.286 Hairston 14 2 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 3 0.071 0.071 0.071 0.143 Mabry 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 4 0.000 0.111 0.000 0.111 7 game total 226 5 46 6 2 0 56 4 23 38 0.204 0.280 0.248 0.528 season totals 921 112 228 40 7 21 345 102 82 157 0.248 0.310 0.375 0.685 CUBS' pitchers during last 7 games...... 04/29 - 05/05 IP H R ER BB K HR PC BB/9 K/9 HR/9 WHIP ERA Howry 2.7 0 0 0 0 1 0 42 0.00 3.38 0.00 0.00 0.00 Dempster 2.0 0 0 0 0 2 0 12 0.00 9.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 Marshall 7.3 4 1 1 1 5 0 90 1.23 6.14 0.00 0.68 1.23 Williamson 4.3 4 1 1 2 3 0 74 4.15 6.23 0.00 1.38 2.08 Eyre 4.0 1 2 2 2 5 1 62 4.50 11.25 2.25 0.75 4.50 Zambrano 11.0 12 7 7 8 15 1 210 6.55 12.27 0.82 1.82 5.73 Ohman 6.0 6 4 4 3 4 0 95 4.50 6.00 0.00 1.50 6.00 Guzman 5.7 6 6 4 3 7 1 104 4.76 11.12 1.59 1.59 6.35 Novoa 3.3 4 5 3 3 5 0 87 8.10 13.50 0.00 2.10 8.10 Maddux 5.0 10 5 5 0 5 1 85 0.00 9.00 1.80 2.00 9.00 Hill 4.0 6 5 5 2 1 2 67 4.50 2.25 4.50 2.00 11.25 Aardsma 2.3 4 3 3 3 2 2 60 11.57 7.71 7.71 3.00 11.57 Rusch 4.7 6 7 7 3 1 4 107 5.79 1.93 7.71 1.93 13.50 7 game total 62.3 63 46 42 30 56 12 1095 4.33 8.09 1.73 1.49 6.06 season totals 247.0 211 133 122 118 213 37 4176 4.30 7.76 1.35 1.33 4.45 CUBS have not scored in their last 25 innings. CUBS have not scored more than 1 run in an inning in their last 7 games CUBS have not scored more than 2 runs in an inning in their last 10 games CUBS have not scored a 1st inning run in their last 4 games CUBS have not hit a HR in their last 7 games CUBS have not made more than 10 hits in a game in their last 7 games CUBS have 1 sac bunt in their last nine games CUBS have made at least 1 error in each of their last 5 games CUBS have no sac flies in their last 16 games CUBS have been HBP once in their last 8 games CUBS have not been cuaght stealing in their last 4 games Go CUBS !!!

I concur with NCCubbieFan & cubsfan1955 about not hearing of any such shenanigins during the '69 season. I would just like to point out, for any of our younger fans that might not already realize it, that while Harry Carey was taunting the CUBS in 1969 as mentiioned, he was broadcasting for the Cardinals.

Lest we forget..... it was just 100 years ago this very season that weak offensive team from Chicago dubbed the "hitless wonders" rose up and surprised the entire sporting world by upsetting the highly favored entry from the other league in the World Series !!!