Prizefight

Yup hes so fun to watch. You have to figure the Cubs would have a decent first place lead had he not gotten hurt. He's the team MVP year after year I don't think it's crazy to argue we'd have an extra 5-6 wins if ARam were in the lineup all year. I'm sure there's a sabermetric number out there if anyone knows it

You answered your own ? there imo Well, this whole section of the msg board ought to have a flying pig next to it! Touche

You answered your own ? there imo

If he gets hit, warnings will be given to both pitchers/benches. If another pitcher even lets a pitch slip and it comes inside, they'll be tossed

The trade was trash for trash. It's not like Fields and Wise are anything special either. Right, thus my point. It's a weird trade that at this point doesn't look beneficial to either team.

Really weird trade for them. I know BA wanted to be traded if the chance came up because he wanted to play everyday. But where are they going to play Kotsay? Seems either Fields or Wise are gone, unless Carlos is hurt again...

There's a lot to be said for the way he was used last year. Most of the time Lou either started or put him in the game in a good situation with a more than reasonable chance for sucess. Now that he's getting 4 at bats a game, Jersey nailed it right on the head, he's just not that good.

Hysterical considering Hawkins left and was replaced by a much better pitcher who has owned us of late. He's just bitter b/c he rightfully harassed his butt out of town. Playing the race card etc..no we didn't like you because you aren't very good at baseball. I don't think it's fair to say he's not very good at baseball, not even when he was with the Cubs. That's fair. I should have said he's bad at being a closer. He was fairly decent as a 7th/8th guy But can't argue that he is a DBag for sure

Hysterical considering Hawkins left and was replaced by a much better pitcher who has owned us of late. He's just bitter b/c he rightfully harassed his butt out of town. Playing the race card etc..no we didn't like you because you aren't very good at baseball.

I agree. I think the attitude is that you shouldn't be celebrating when you've been performing like a AA talent player for 3 months and killing our lineup. But /shrug It was a huge hit, kept us in first and he celebrated like any of us would had we just done that. I think sometimes with how much these guys get paid and all the pressure/expectations on them we forget that the vast majority started playing baseball for the love of the game and it's okay to have some moments of childhood jubilence

Now that was just uncalled for [-X

I agree, give the guy a break. He is having the roughest season of his career, he was 0-5 prior to that AB and he hit a huge walk off GS. Let him enjoy the moment. I do want make sure my point is clear that there certainly is a line where celebrations become excessive, I just don't think Sori's was.

[quote name="spiritofstlouis I think the animosity is due to his " safety dance " around the bases. It was a huge hit' date=' though.[/quote] I can see where it can be interpreted that way. Celebrations after big plays don't really bother me for the most part, I think he was just having fun with his Cena impression etc. I think some leagues go to far to regulate some of those instances...cough NFL cough...

Lol, Soriano is the Forrest Gump of baseball. I don't get all the venom towards him this morning on the sports radio I'm listening to. Yes he was having a bad game, everybody does. He played his typical sub par defense and looked lost at the plate. He was the only guy who came thru with a huge hit last night, tip your cap and celebrate it.

Took me way to long to figure that one out #-o Dunkin Donuts French Vanilla isn't doing crap this morning... I have a good feeling about Demp tonight, not based on anything factual. Hoping that since he wanted to pitch this past weekend means the toe is a non issue and he'll get his control on lockdown early on..

For all of Santo's short comings as a color guy, it's awesome to hear him going nuts after a big play.

Just hopped online for some group therapy about the failure that is Mike Fontenot. You guys make me feel better.

The way our legal system is set up certainly seems to imply that. I'm clearly not going to argue that what Vick did wasn't premeditated and intentional. However, the man served his time and paid his debt to society; emotionally, physically and fiscally. Where as Stallworth, while he didn't get in the car that morning intending to kill someone, was drunk (.12 BAC) and speeding (50mph in a 40mph zone) so he put himself in a position where something could happen. It seems obvious to me he was able to throw some money around in this situation to the victims family/whoever need it and get off with a month in jail. Whereas Vick didn't have anyone he could appease outside of court to get his sentence reduced and thus served 20 months who whatever it came to be. Something there just does not add up to me. Other than this point, you focus on the poorer example I gave regretfully considering Stallworth is indefinitely suspended right now. Do you believe that Vick deserves to still be suspended for what he did?

He wants to see him not screw up for a period of time being that he has only been free for a couple of days. Vick can thank players like Adam Jones for this kind of treatment. I agree this is the Pacman Jones treatment...but Leonard Little/Stallworth/Ray Lewis killed people! Every team has a roster fill of guys who have beat their wives or done things worse than Vick. Don't get me wrong, Vick isn't a good guy and not one you'd want your daughter to spend time with. But it's disgusting that groups like PETA have warped society to put more value in a dogs life than a humans. He's paid his debt, reinstate him unconditionally. Dog fighting is premeditated organized crime. It's not as simple as saying humans > dogs. I think that Goodell is doing this to appease PETA and hopefully prevent them from protesting outside of every game Vick is at this year. I mean, he was in jail for almost 2 years and lost well over 100 million dollars. Again, he's not a good guy. But this league and society in general is full of not good guys. I don't understand the demonizing of Vick here. I think the argument I'm doing a very poor job of trying to make is that I think a conditional reinstatement is wrong in this case.

He wants to see him not screw up for a period of time being that he has only been free for a couple of days. Vick can thank players like Adam Jones for this kind of treatment. I agree this is the Pacman Jones treatment...but Leonard Little/Stallworth/Ray Lewis killed people! Every team has a roster fill of guys who have beat their wives or done things worse than Vick. Don't get me wrong, Vick isn't a good guy and not one you'd want your daughter to spend time with. But it's disgusting that groups like PETA have warped society to put more value in a dogs life than a humans. He's paid his debt, reinstate him unconditionally.

Looks like Mike Vick has been conditionally reinstated..but very strangely So he might basically get a 6 game suspension? Or 0? Make up your mind Goodell imo

I believe we were tied with the Brewers last year at this point in the season.

Crazy. I can't believe it's all still some sort of a mental block with him, but who knows? What might have been if he progressed like we all thought he would

Dempster tomorrow I believe.

My issue with Rose is that what he did was totally and beyond the shadow of a doubt against the rules for decades before he showed up. It was effectively baseball's cardinal sin for almost a century, he knew it, and he still willfully did it. It look at it the same way I do with the guys caught juicing after the crackdown went into effect: if you got away with it before baseball definitively said "no," good on you. If you made the choice to do it after it was completely and totally against the rules, tough [expletive]. Agreed 100% that he's a scum who knew what he was doing was wrong and he was flirting with danger, however... I think the debate lies in what you take the meaning of the Hall of Fame to be. I view it as a place to honor the best baseball has ever had it terms of skill/talent, but also how they have influenced the game positively or negatively. Yes, what Rose did was deplorable, but what he did as a hitter and the records he attained deserve to be honored in the Hall. He changed the way the game is played and to leave him out is a mistake. For this reason, I also believe that steroid users should get in as well. Just put it on their plaque that they were known users or accomplished these stats during the HGH Era and be down with it. Every generation of players in the Hall accomplished their stats during an Era that you can argue influenced them whether it be Dead Ball/HGH/No Black Players/Wars etc. Just my 2c though. I can certainly understand the counter arguments. It is a fun discussion for sure :)